1 kilo per light - or why gm/watt suck!

When did I ever say anything about the watt label of a light? I am 100% talking about actual draw from the wall.

Go right ahead and tell your electric company you refuse to pay by the watts you’ve used, see how well that works out for you. Explain to them that watts is a useless metric and the amount of watts you use is in no way connected to the cost they charge. :slight_smile:

I feel like you’re being deliberately obtuse just to prove your point.

Let me take it one step further. I run perpetual, my mom light is on 24/7, my veg light is on 18/6, and my flower light is on 12/12 – 24/7/365. There, I’ve eliminated time…

But even so…

I never said the label, I said the watts from the wall. But if you think that the watts I pull from the wall does not affect the cost then I’ve got a bridge to sell ya…

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I think we are in John Stuart Mills zone here. Buddy “feels” that reincarnation is real, so you can’t convince him otherwise. Uhh I mean replace “reincarnation” with any concept.

As for kidney stones my friend had a batch but they were minor. Still took a couple weeks to convince him to go to the hospital! It looked really painful!

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Ok, I could nit pick some of your earlier points, but Im too tired. Lets just take this one point for starters.

Yes, watts is joules/second. However, KWH is joules/second/hour - plus or minus a decimal place - which is a whole different animal. You cannot get to cost from watts alone.

You have to do an additional calculation based on an additional measurement.

Thank you! You just agreed with the basic point I have been trying to make from the beginning.

Unless you are both willing and able go to extraordinary effort in terms of esoteric measurements, and complex calculations - watts all by themselves - are a useless metric to use. Which means g/watt is also useless. :slight_smile:

The one exception you give (other than your personal situation where you have all that esoteric info and equipment on hand), is in a personal grow situation where the watts, and the distance to the canopy, and the footprint of the light in terms of sq meters of canopy, never change.

My question then is - given the situation where the watts and all the rest never change - why bother to do the math at all? It would be much easier, and just as valid, to just use the total grams and be done with it.

I could argue your point about knowing where a grow falls on Bugbees graphs, but Ive already pointed out why no one, other than you, has any clue where there plants fall on the curve. Plus, Im too tired and it would amount to splitting cats hairs as far as anyone else is concerned. :wink:

Doesnt matter. You cant get to cost without adding in that extra measurement of time and doing the extra math.

I can guarantee you that your electric company IS doing that math :slight_smile:

But - I will grant you that IF your lights are on 24/7/365, and always at the exact same power draw at all times, then you could use the watts # (either one) to substitute for the cost of running your lights when you are figuring g/dollar of lighting cost.

But lets take another look at your specific case where your watt draw from the wall never changes 24/7/365 - which you never mentioned before by the way. Plus, note that very few people can make that claim.

That does indeed take the time out of the calculation - point to you. :slight_smile:

However, I’ll ask you the same question I asked Northernloki - if the watts never ever change - why bother doing the math at all?

If your lights run 24/7/365, that means your light costs never change. Every single grow you do has the same exact cost to run the lights, so why divide grams by watts? What does that tell you that grams by themselves doesnt tell you - with less effort?

If you got 2000 grams from 1000 watts on one grow thats 2 g/watt. If you got 4000 grams on the next grow thats 4 g/watt, or exactly twice as much.

But 4000 grams / 2000 grams is still that same exact 2/1 ratio, so grams alone tells you everything you need to now without doing any math.

What usefulness does the watt number have in this case?

Based on what you said - no change 24/7/365 - then your personal watt draw from the wall doesnt affect your costs from one grow to the next either does it? The cost to run your lights never changes. Every grow you do is the same exact cost in terms of "watts"and dollars no matter what.

Im not going to accuse you of the same thing - quite :wink:

You got that right. For some strange reason I dont feel like Im making much progress bashing through this particular brick wall with my head :smiley:

Worst pain I have ever felt at times. Fortunately, its not always that bad. If your buddy is a grower, tell him kidney stones are worse than g/watt - but not by much. Not sure how much that will help though. :smiley:

Im guessing no one cares by now, but I will reiterate my comment from earlier.

I think g/sq meter of canopy/day would make at least an approximately reasonable metric to use to compare grows. Certainly for tracking your own grows if your canopy area changes from grow to grow.

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it’s too complicated, brother. I mean… my dog can divide 439 by 1000.

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@JoeCrowe Damn dude… Can we see that in action? :innocent: something for the spank bank :rofl: :joy: :rofl:

@anon32470837 im game to try the last one g/sq meter (area not cubed)/day.

Ps. with the cats metric does it count as times attended or cats present at any time during the grow? I got three so im already loosing to your lb’s per cat but im giving it a go :+1: maybe more cats in less space is more effective!

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I am sorry! I left out the tiny, almost unimportant part about cats being an inverse ratio! You actually have to divide by the 1/cats to get the correct relationship. LOL!! :wink:

By the way, I have three cats too, so we are equally great growers :smiley:

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It’s an example arguing a strawman, not an exception.

Not what was being said. If you want a direct comparison to the Bugbee graphs in PPFD, then yes. You can most certainly make a relative comparison performing a similar set of experiments only using Watts and grams.

If you are completely static. You are done. There is nothing that needs to be measured.

Then there’s reality for which a non-static situation was explored. Going by square meters, or whatnot, has other limitations equally limiting depending on what problem is being solved. I don’t see the value of throwing out Watts because it doesn’t fit into a specific scenario rather it can be useful in many circumstances.

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Cubes are what its all about mate 3d fuckin growing! … :v:

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Larry, your measuring system for weed is flawed; it can’t make a prediction about how many kilos of weed I’m going to get.

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Fun reading.

https://medteknutrients.com.au/maximum-yield-hydroponic-gardening/

they do float some interesting theories, I’ll call it.
They call “blue spectrum” “better”, and red spectrum “for flower growth”. You know that really is a myth. It’s all about the PAR to IR ratio for plant growth.

They do understand though, that if you can replicate the environment that cannabis needs to grow, there is no magic powder that’s going to make magic weed yields.

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i wouldnt be so sure to knock down the 6 pounds under 400w. its absolutely possible with leds and genetics and a plan

This is another good techno read.

https://medteknutrients.com.au/co2-enriched-hydroponic-growing/

I’m weak on lighting knowledge. A future strip build will force me to study up. :nerd_face:

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I like their grow room setup, you can’t go wrong there. Also their warning you should know how to grow plants before you start carbon enriching! Not so sure about their resin production claims…but, I do understand more product = more resin!!

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I found the transpiration and night cycle info very helpful.

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is about 294 grams dried and cured

lol hilarious, man! Larry aka anon32470837 is long gone. He’s still never changed! What a guy.

6 lbs on a 320w light. This dude must be the greatest grower alive

I had a hard time believing kravens 4g/w and this is 8.5g/w

Or maybe i just suck cause I cant break 2g/w

I remember back in the day heath robinson pulled over 2g/w on some spiral NFT with a vertical lamp and everyone was impressed.

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Grams per watt is useless as it doesnt account for veg time.
Grams per kw per hour counting veg and flower is a better way of measuring efficiency/production