1973 Durban sativa (poison) "The Green Pheno"- a collective history of a South African sativa

You’re right, there’s not much in the 29-32 degree latitude range. Moroccan, Sinai/Egyptian, Lebanese, Iraqi, Iranian, Afghan, Pakistan.
All flower 8-12 weeks. South Africa’s cannabis
growing areas are also 29-32 degrees latitude, with twice the flowering time, and plenty of elevation. We could equate the Himalayan region of Himachal Pradesh,( Malana etc, around 9- 10,000 ft ) with Lesotho at a similar altitude and the same latitude.
Himalayas allow a 11-14 week flowering and Lesotho is 14-18. It has to be the ancestry that does this. Nearly all of the Northern Latitudes between 29-32 have landraces descended in part or in whole from the Hindu Kush, an 8-12 week landrace.
Something similar must explain South Africa. A common longflowering ancestor.

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That sure was a beauty!

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First Durbans are almost there. 2 weeks maybe. 4 for the rest. 16-18 weeks flowering, as advertised( finally!)

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How’s about 28 latitude tropical island where I’m at outdoor grows thanks

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yes upstate i would grow them out and make sum seed with it just to keep the strain around, not piles of seed but a few bud sites here and there. i think i replied to this ot maybe thought i did? if your still interested let me know

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Durban poison regular , I’m interested in a tropical forests Christmas trees
…hum. thanks for offering @blendmedmedman …cross my fingers…

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I finally managed to get one package half together last night and only because its for a pheno hunt a friend and I are doing. I will happily send you some seed but I just don’t have a spare minute lately except for mornings when I’m on OG, but I can’t give that time up. When are you looking to grow them?
Also, I made pure Kashmir seed and Kashmir Oaxaca and i didn’t tag the branches. I was getting so much rain I had to pollinate multiple times to get any seed at all and I lost track, hitting both branches with both pollen donors. So, it’s a crapshoot. I’d like to find the pure ones myself…so if you are still game…
You’d be taking a chance. The hybrid will be great if you get it. I’d still want seed, as I want to work that hybrid in the future…there will be no question which one you get😁

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What’s your question and who are you asking ?:grin:

I think you are misinterpreting the text. I am sure what they meant was it was tested for known hallucinogenic drugs like LSD because they assumed it was laced. We don’t know much about psychoactivity of cannabinoids besides THC today, I doubt that in 1979 they would have looked for things like TCHV or THCP etc. :seedling:

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I am slowly trying to learn how to use it. I have a very low tolerance and little sativa experience. One thing I have not had like this before is it seems to connect me to the weather. I felt strong positive reactions to sunshine, rain and thunderstorm. Nice. Tast is earthy with maybe a tiny hint of citrus in the back. I only vaped, did not smoke.

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There is actually a French paper from 1975 Plantes médicinales et phytothérapie 1975, Tome IX, n° 2, p. 136-139 titled IMPORTANCE DES COMPOSÉS PROPYLIQUES DANS LE CANNABIS ORIGINAIRE D’AFRIQUE DU SUD.

It’s a study about THC-V in South African cannabis I believe. Unfortunately, I don’t speak or understand the French language yet.

I believe some of the data was also referenced one of Starks works, Marijuana Chemistry. Also worth noting that France has a pretty interesting history of foreign occupation. Much of equatorial Africa, the Caribbean, Vietnam, and much more. Perhaps some of the varieties were also transported aboard French vessels and merchant ships? They even had a hash club in Paris sometime during the 1840’s. The French seem to be about the finer things in life, quality over quantity. I’m sure they found the good stuff. Much love

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But the analysis was initiated by the cops. They would not have said “let’s do some cool science and look for obscure cannabinoids three nerds in the world have heard of”. They assumed (probably chemical) hallucinogenic drugs and tested for those.

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I was just pointing out the fact that it was indeed known about, THC-V that is, and testing methods available at the time in history which you referenced. What others were doing I am unsure of. Much love

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Also, I appreciate helping provide more scope to the context of the material. I hadn’t had the time to figure out what it was about other than a generalized English title (it’s in eBay for sale). That’s helpful to know. Much love

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True, I have not been there either. It just appears to me to be the simplest explanation. I could be wrong.

The earliest mention of THCP I could find in a brief search is from 1985.

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Generally, in Europe in the 1900`s its not that they had strong Marihuana Landraces like in sutropical /eqatorial Regions such as Thailand and so forth.
Atleast not that i heard of.
They however DID consume Cannbis for the effects, but a bit more occasionally, and also they had alllot of Hemp.
There are chances for shure that they imported some powerfull Afghani, and reproduced and shared it , and spread it a bit. But its rather rare, and the chances of it getting polluted by hemp and nobody really realising that or carring about as we Europeans were rather occasional smokers were realisic i would say.

Look even just at Lebanon, there you found many many Lowthc Strains, like 5 percent , not more, and ocasionally you find a 10 to 15 percent strain.

In europe it was often like a 1, 2 Percent Thc Strain and very occasionally you might also have found a 10 to 15 Percent Cultivar. veeery occasionally. Most was just hemp.

Atleast thats what i seem to hear and nothing else.
Switerland had like a 5 percent Landrace thingy, that was already seldon.
Wasnt there a Friesland Indica, was it foundin the 1900`s ? That one might also been a Afghani-derivering import.
Often the Europeans would smoke seldon, so that they actually took Hemp to get high, and hemp was just the main crop…
I know the said two cultivars with more then 5 percent THC, but i know like a dozen Hemp Cultivars from Europe… That should say it all, right.?

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I almost mentioned in that initial comment, and probably should have, that I don’t think they knew about THC-P then but I don’t really know for sure as so much I’m still learning. I don’t think they knew about THC-P then, at least chemically scientific style. I’m sure they knew and understand the effects but probably didn’t call it THC-P, rather a type within their observations and experience. Without phone and television humans were in my option very in tune to their surroundings, especially their food and medicinal crops.

Also, I am not up to speed with this topic and just noticed that little bit about THC-V and had recently come across that paper whilst eBay searching so thought it relevant to share. As it relates to the context of the prior conversation I apologize if it’s not exactly on topic. So much OG so little time, feels hard to keep up sometimes. Much love

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I think it was perfectly on topic and interesting to read, thanks for posting it. Sadly I don’t read French either.

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Not til recently. To my knowledge it was discovered by Italian scientists quite recently. I posted a link somewhere a while back.
Perhaps it was discovered much earlier, but only looked at recently by these scientists?
Lots of cannabinoids have been known about for years, yet nothing is known about them.

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would most likely grow it this novemebr when this round is done, if i had room now id do it tomorrow but im pretty full with things, but November of this year, i understand about time,
but if kashmir has that pine ill try to grab sum from landrace team or whatever.
im sure the oax cross would be nice too.

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