African landraces and heirloom thread

For anybody curious what Golden Tiger looks like in the New England market,

I’m accustomed to tropical sativas being very sparse, this was very chunky when I tried it.

Smoked like crap, cause it looks like all the other polyhybrid blockwork that’s really meant to be made into hash, not smoked as flower.

Here’s the analysis on the pictured:

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What about the possibility of the ACE Malawi being hybridized while still in Africa?

It wouldn’t have been the first time. Cannabis has been hybridized in Africa for hundreds of years.

Swahili Arab traders were merchants from the East African coast, specifically the region known as the Swahili Coast, who actively participated in trade with the Arabian Peninsula and other parts of Central Asia, primarily through the Indian Ocean trade routes.

From the eighth century onward, the Indian Ocean was the scene of extensive trade of sub-Saharan African slaves via sea routes controlled by Muslim Arab and Swahili traders.

Several populations in present-day Pakistan and India are thought to be the descendants of such slaves, yet their history of admixture and remains largely undefined. Here, we studied the genome-wide diversity of the African-descent Makranis, who reside on the coast of Pakistan, as well that of four neighboring Pakistani populations, to investigate the legacy, population dynamics, and tempo of the Indian Ocean slave trade. We show that the Makranis are the result of an admixture event between local Baluch tribes and Bantu-speaking populations from eastern or southeastern Africa; we dated this event to ∼300 years ago during the Omani Empire domination.

Slave trade was introduced in Malawi by the Swahili-Arab traders in the 19thCentury following a great demand for ivory and slave in the East African markets namely Zanzibar, Kilwa, Mombasa and Quelimane. The Swahili -Arabs moved further into the interior of Africa including Malawi to obtain slaves and ivory.

One of Slave Trade Route was Nkhotakota where one of the Swahili-Arab slave traders, Salim-bin Abdullah (Jumbe) set up his headquarters on the shore of Lake Malawi in the 1840s.

Another Slave trade route passed through the southern shores of Lake Malawi into Tete Province and Zambezi valley in Mozambique.

The main Slave Route in the interior of Africa, Central Africa, were Nkhotakota, Karonga, Mangochi and Phalombe where the Swahili-Arabs and their Yao allies built their headquarters and stockades and also organized expeditions to capture slaves as far as Zambia and Congo.

The Slave routes are a rare and unique heritage site in Malawi which records the memories of hardship and inhumanity which the people of Malawi and the entire Central Africa went through in the 19’h Century.

Geographically, Chitral provides the shortest route to Afghanistan, Central Asia and China.

The aforementioned Makrani people with African roots have ancient ties to Pakistan, Afghanistan and India. The area they settled in Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Iran is known as Balochistan. The original settlers of Balochistan before the African genetic admixture are said to be originally from Iran or near the south or south east of the Caspian Sea.

Originated from the south Caspian Sea/daryā-e-khizr’s bay, right next to the belt of mountains known as Alborz in Iran.
Balochi people were relocated to Makran in the 16th century. They were subject to Mughals and after the fall of Mughal Empire, about 150 tribes united to form Balochistan. The regional languages are Brahui and Balochi, both are identified as western Iranian languages. There are huge population of Balochi Brahui speakers living in southern Afghanistan and also in Iran.

If one looks at plant morphology for cannabis in Balochistan there are many with purple hues, and as the quotes above show there is a significant link between Balochistan and Africa, specifically Central and Eastern Africa along the Swahili coast including Malawi. Here’s a couple quotes from Landrace Warden about a Balochistan variety collected in Kuchlak Town Balochistan:

The flowers are coated with trichome, having loud acrid, fruity and herbal aroma, similar to Hindu Kush variants.

The plant features deep, dark foliage complemented by rich purple inflorescences coated with dry-textured trichomes. It’s a heavy yielder, with some branches leaning towards bamboo poles under the weight of its dense flowers.

My main point is I don’t think Dubi is being intentionally misleading. Who knows how, where, or to what extent the Malawi line ACE has was hybridized, but there are certainly more ways for Purple Hindu Kush types or Balochistan types to be found in African genetics, including Malawi, than some secret PCK being added during the work in Spain. If one looks it’s easy to see Balochistan varieties flowers faster, have many purple types, and are big chunky flowers laden with dense trichome coverage.

It’s only hearsay from what I’ve seen online that ACE Malawi has secret PCK from their Spanish work because it has some quicker flowering types that show up and some purple types. There are mostly 10-13 week types with some going as long as 16-18+ weeks and some as quick as 9 weeks. If the prevalence of quicker flowering types on occasion being observed in the ACE Malawi as well as the prevalence of purple types on occasion are the only reasons people say “it must be PCK that’s hidden in there from the Spanish work” well I totally don’t agree. There is more evidence to me that it could have come from ancient trade in Africa.

The extensive trade history outlined above shows another possible route of hybridization that is not based on hearsay, it’s actual historical written accounts spanning hundreds of years.

As I’ve mentioned before, I’ve read there aren’t truly black flowers. That the perceivable black color is really just a dark purple or red. Purple Malawi, if hybridized in Africa with imported “black” looking inflorescence from Swahili based trade could actually share roots with the fabled Black African Magic via Balochistan which could even include PCK. All tracing routes back to the 18th (possibly 17th) century when Swahili traders pushed further into the African interior and Eastern Congo. Trade routes back from those interior pushes into Eastern Congo would pass through Malawi to and from. Malawi was essentially a stopover point on the way to and back from Eastern Congo.

I still think Black Magic is fermented cannabis, but I also think it’s likely for there to be “black” looking flowers in Africa that may have also been called Black Magic.

Currently, ­people in the lower Zambezi valley ferment cannabis in cornhusk packets to produce “black Malawi,” a product that has dif­fer­ent pharmacological effects from unfermented material.

Cannabis chewing was once rumored to be a Swahili pastime; Lega speakers in the central Congo Basin reportedly chewed dried, powdered plant material; Portuguese Angola’s first cannabis-­ control law (1913) called chewing an “older practice [that] might persist” in some areas.

Big time historical connections between Congo, Malawi, Balochistan, India, and more with respect to teade. Considering the fondness for cannabis with the Balochistan people, I think it’s safe to assume some of their genetics made their way over to Africa. To Malawi. To Congo.

Hypothetically, if the hybridization came from the above theory, I think it makes sense if the ACE Malawi is selected and reproduced at 37 degrees north in Spain that it would eventually start leaning towards the Balochistan types and where the Balochistan types came from. Balochistan is between 24 and 32 degrees north, and Balochistan was originally settled by forcefully moved people who were from the mountains near the south Caspian Sea which is approximately 36 degrees north latitude. Chitral is 35 degrees north.

But since ACE has PCK in their catalog and their Malawi sometimes sports purple it must be some hidden secret inclusion of PCK in their Spanish breeding work is what many are saying on here.
Well there is actual documented historical record of extensive trade between Africa (Malawi and Eastern Congo included) with people very fond of cannabis and who have types that are often purple hued of varying degrees, denser, and faster flowering. The Balochistan people. The Swahili traders who traded with the Balochistan people are recorded in history to enjoy cannabis in Congo. And they pushed into Congo by way of Malawi. It could possibly be actual PCK from trade through the Hindu Kush pass onwards to the Balochistan people and from there to Africa during ancient trade. The Balochistan people could have had PCK genetics before they even migrated from near the Caspian Sea. Or vice versa. I can imagine cannabis being enjoyed in Africa and a novel purple quicker flowering type being enjoyed, valued, and worked into their already established lines. There are some PCK types that go dark purple looking almost “black” and PCK is reported to be very mold resistant. I would think it would show less THC though if that’s what it was hybridized with but perhaps decades of human selection in the subtropic worked the Malawi line ACE received towards high THC.

The purple ACE found could even be a recessive that their Spanish latitude coaxed out and got fixed into the new work with more regular expression. All to say, sneaking in some PCK isn’t the only way for that line to express itself how it does. It could be ancient trade infusion and hybridization. Just like the “Black Magic” is said to be. There could be some quick flowering “black” types in Africa from hybridization like that just as there could be much longer flowering less dense “black” types in Africa from hybridization. It all depends on the selections, effect included. I think the ancient gardeners of cannabis would have been very eager to hybridize with faster flowering genetics and especially genetics with novel colors like dark purple, dark red, and things like that. Many blessings and much love

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@Sbeanonnamellow
This is the same as i am thinking.

Two possibilites, with a similar outcome.

Yes and the fact that Mel Franks Congolese from th 70s flowers 10 weeks is really painting a special picture.

Look at his congo 1970 seeds,

they look vastly different than just a pure Afghani, atleast as far as i know, im not afghani paki expert. But mel franks his congo look much more beige kaki or however one calls this.

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or am i mistaken?
here random afghain seeds from net :slight_smile:

Ok vastly is an acceguration.
But the congo is brighter, rather beige, the afghani is more of dark wood, aswell as much more pointyer on the edges like a pointy “turtle shell”.

Congolese reminds me of little round cookies

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What about dogons people in Mali? Cannabis is in their culture and traditions for hundreds of years. They should have their own genetics.

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I don’t think I’ve ever seen as strong of an astroturf effort in any other thread

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We know ACE has problems with the truth, otherwise Dubi would fix his Bangi haze listing with the proper genetic lineage.

De ja vu? O wait we already went through this earlier in the thread but the Dubi clique is back to put some respek on his brand.

We’re here to discuss actual landrace from Africa, not repair the reputation of a brand marketing themselves as allegedly having landraces when they’re clearly hybrids (NOT ALL, just the Malawi, golden tiger, zamal delica, Bangi haze, Panama). How many times do I need to put this out there ? You guys want to make a thread promoting ACe gear, go for it.

Tell Dubi to reach out to @LemonadeJoe for a paid sponsorship, this thread is not a platform to plug a dissertation on how ACE is innocent, he has already proven himself guilty of putting genetics into a line and claiming it’s a landrace cross. See: exhibit Bangi haze.

Arrest my case your honor!

P.s. Romano, seed color can vary a lot, even within one line. The size of the seed seems to offer more powerful clues, esp re:hybridization. Struggling to understand why you trust Mel Frank genetics so much, wasn’t he the one who was famous for the dutched Durban? The one that’s clearly hybridized and not the original Durban landrace?

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Howdy @US3RNAM3, do you really think no hybridization with quicker flowering denser inflorescence types went on in Africa during the hundreds and thousands of years of trade?

My earlier comments referenced actual historical record of trade between central and eastern African regions and Balochistan. I think it’s more than likely there was an infusion of genetics. Earlier finishing types are valuable. They were trading ivory from as deep in Africa as Congo back to China. As referenced earlier, much trade with the Balochistan and from Pakistan the shortest distance on land to China is through Chitral. There are a handful of quicker flowering dense inflorescence types that could have been traded. And it’s quite likely to have happened.

I can imagine cannabis enthusiasts bringing novel purple types as trade items across the trade routes, or even just for personal enjoyment. Bringing quicker flowering types, bringing types with more trichome coverage having been selected in drier more arid climates. Centuries of trade between the two continents. Chickens in Africa came from Asia and cannabis has followed man for eons. So your reason of some African types showing bigger buds, looking Afghani influence and things like that doesn’t mean it has to have come from some secret infusion in ACE’s Spanish work. That’s just hearsay no matter how many Simpsons gifs you post.

Ciskei, Bushman’s sativa, flowers quickly and has dense flowers.

Transkei also flowers quickly and has dense flowers.

Swazi flowers moderately long with some outliers on both ends of the spectrum, and can have humongous flowers.

Both Ciskei and Transkei have bantustan roots. KaNgwane bordering Swaziland does as well. These are areas where Bantu people were basically relocated during apartheid. I think it’s realistic to think they brought with them their preferred cannabis.

There are certainly instances of quicker flowering types with large dense inflorescence in Africa. It stands to reason they came from the aforementioned trade history, of which much of that trade was also done in Congo and Malawi. So to think only thin leaflet long flowering airy inflorescence are the only types in those regions is dismissive of the rich history of trade that I’ve outlined above. Just because you want landraces from those regions to be ultra long flowering with sparse inflorescence doesn’t mean the locals of that area over the span of hundreds of years felt the same.

Hybridization, especially for quicker flowering types, has been a valuable and highly desired resource for agriculture since basically forever. Especially in antiquity where living and survival was much more difficult compared to the modern world. Having a line that incorporated early finishing types along with late finishing types helps to improve the odds for successful harvests year after year. Being able to have a harvest 2 months early would have been a miracle for ancient people for the years where the late season crops were ruined by unfavorable weather. Having a landrace that has that type of variability and population fitness is incredibly valuable. They weren’t collecting landraces the way we do as passionate hobbyists and purists, they were surviving and very much still are.

I’m in the process of moving to Hawaii and I very much enjoy long flowering thin leaflet types, but I will most definitely plant quicker flowering types as well to ensure the most favorable harvest success. Of course I’d very much enjoy the longest flowering types but some years it may rain more or less towards the end of the season, so have something to harvest is better than nothing. Maybe it’s different for those collecting and growing indoors. Growing outdoors one is at the mercy of the weather year to year. For ancient people, they most definitely valued early finishing types of all crops. It could be the difference between eating, living, surviving and death or famine. The difference between having and not having cannabis until the next harvest year. Creating an adapted line with population fitness to ensure successful harvest across the most extreme ends of the spectrum with respect to weather year after year is what landraces are all about. Landraces have variability. They aren’t just one phenotype. The amount of variability depends on selection. Also, once those landraces are taken out of their local environment of which they adapted to, they are no longer considered a landrace. From landrace stock, sure, but no longer a landrace. So unless you’re growing your landraces in their region of origin, they’re no longer landraces. The seeds you’re collecting and growing outside their region of origin included. The seeds you’ve collected that were reproduced outside their region of origin aren’t landraces either. Once you plant something to reproduce outside it’s region of origin, poof, no more landrace claim. So a lot of what you consider landrace isn’t even landrace.

Dubi may not word things perfectly, but neither do you. Dubi seems genuine in his work though and I don’t think he is purposefully misleading people by adding things to the work that he knows is added and then not sharing that in the pedigree. It’s just not his style and I don’t see the incentive for him to do so. He’s one of the most forthcoming and active breeders who engages with his customer base and the descriptions align very closely to the varieties he sells with respect to what one can expect when growing them.

Astroturfing would imply that I have a stake in ACE seeds somehow which I do not. It’s factually incorrect to imply I’m doing that. I just see the history different than you and back it up with historical data. You’re just parroting rumors you’ve read online and have unrealistic expectations as to what seeds from regions with extensive trade networks for hundreds of years should express like to you.

Dubi is one of the most forthcoming retailers. ACE Seeds publishes terpene analysis, cannabinoid analysis, and their varieties match their descriptions closely.

You continually bring up Bangi Haze and Panama. As thoroughly referenced in my recent comments, it’s quite likely that hybrid cannabis has been in Congo at some point or another (likely many times over) during the trade between those regions and Balochistan as well as other areas from which quicker flowering broad leaflet types are common, for example China. Centuries of trade, but I think the most likely infusions that remain today came in the 18th and 19th century.

And Panama, holy melting pot Batman. Workers on the canal came from as far away as China with most coming from the West Indies. Chinese laborers built the Panama Railroad. Then to consider, the actual canal was a shortcut for traversing the globe as a primary means of oceanic trade makes it ripe for the infusion of genetics from far and wide. To think Panama doesn’t have likely hybridization with respect to quicker flowering denser types of cannabis is dismissive of the massive trade networks that pass through the region as well as the cultural diversity by way of laborers who worked on the infrastructure systems as well as the merchants who operated businesses catering to those workers.

Arabic-speaking migrants from the Ottoman Empire embarked on mass migrations across the Atlantic in the late 19th century. Large numbers traded and settled in the Caribbean region.

A pattern developed whereby migrants sought out boomtowns around the Caribbean region

During the digging of the Panama Canal it would be realistic to consider it a boomtown.

I read that some Arab/Muslim’s traveled to Panama during the digging of the canal to setup merchant shops as well as brothels catering to the laborers and businessmen. I don’t think it’s unrealistic to think they didn’t bring cannabis of different types with them for trade or personal use which found it’s way into the local gene pools.

It’s said Arab traders are responsible for the diffusion of Cannabis into Africa. It’s well known they deal in cannabis trade as well as personal consumption.

In that regard, African cannabis is said to have originated from the Arab trade. And you think they just traded long flowering thin leaf airy inflorescence types? That’s hardly based in reality considering the extent of their known trade routes. They likely traded and helped diffuse all types of cannabis into the regions they traveled and traded. Everything from Chinese varieties to Afghan, Pakistani, Iranian, Uzbekistani, Indian, and more. Quick flowering types, long flowering types, colors from green to red to purple.

Muslims have migrated to Panamá for centuries, but a defined Muslim community is more recent. In the early 1900s, some immigrants of Arab origin came to Panamá, but they mingled with the Panamanian population and lost their religious identity.

Other Muslim Indians trickled in circa 1925-30, for the most part Punjabis, Bengalis, and Gujarati.

Panama has a rich history of genetic admixture, and along with that I would expect it’s cannabis gene pool too, as cannabis follows man and has done so for eons.

Africa was certainly not the only region where Arab traders operated. Your idea of pure long flowering types being the only true representations of landrace is not realistic. Sure, many can be that way, but it’s not likely that all are or have been throughout history.

Also, Durban is not just one microclimate. Durban encompasses an area with vast geographic diversity from soil type to variations in elevation. There are many types to be found in Durban, so the idea of them just being long flowering with sparse inflorescence is also unrealistic. Fun fact, the port of Durban used to be called the Port of Natal. The port of Natal was a British trading post and the region of Natal was a British colony. The British traded with the Mughal Empire since as early as the 1600’s. The Mughal Empire was very fond of cannabis. They occupied the lands from which many quick flowering dense inflorescence types hail from.

The Mughal Empire ruled over most of modern India, Pakistan and Afghanistan in the 16th, 17th, and 18th centuries. In the early 16th century, a warrior prince named Babur marched east from central Asia, conquering huge areas of land.

Many blessings and much love

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He’s a hater man and usually pops up in haze threads to bash anything that doesn’t meet his lofty standards… guess what buddy? I’m growing Panama haze from Ace and don’t give a rat’s ass whether or not the breeder and strain qualify for your narrow leaf rules and regulations. Pretty sure somebody else started up a thread trying to appease him but not happening here

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It’s not about hate, it’s an integrity thing. If somebody tells you a strain is x crossed with y, but it’s really AB crossed with x and y which he admitted in the forums about using as a “stabilization technique” but not referencing it in the lineage for the marketing. That doesn’t exactly build trust.

I’m not saying all of ACE is fake landrace, I am looking forward to running the Honduran line as I heard it hasn’t been touched and can carry an electric effect.

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It’s entirely reasonable to doubt the purity of Ace’s Malawi, and to bring that up in this thread. The fact that it is very different from all other Malawi accessions and displays some hybrid/indica traits is useful to know. Honestly it sounds like there is pretty much agreement on that. This is the kind of information that I come to this thread for. I love seeing well documented information and experiences about African cannabis genetics. This thread is a real goldmine and y’all have contributed some excellent knowledge.

I gotta say though, I’m not very interested in discussions about Dubi/Ace’s moral fiber here. I feel like it would be best to focus this thread back on the plants.

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Don’t know why everyone does not & / or recognize that most of what’s sold commercially has been " Dutched ". Spanish sourced genetics are no exception . Where the hell ya think they learnt that shit from . If one is a purist then due diligence is the word . Straight stuff comes from both places as they lot closer to Africa . Hell everybody got a story when you payin’ . All that said I currently have 11 ACE / VM selections & 5 of LMN old stuff , because I like the buzz & they aint a PITA . However I’m under no illusion about any of it’s racial purity .

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The regular killer line, maybe, but pck is too specific when it comes to the p Malawi line. That occurred in Europe with them.
With the Killer line, I suspect foul play due to the flowering time, but I could’nt say when or where it happened, only that it did.
Imagine indica as a wave that crashes on the beach of Egypt consistently for hundreds of years. The Nile is no barrier to this wave, so for many hundreds of miles the Indica wave rolls unimpeded Southward. Finally the wave reaches into the tropics, and from there dissipates with distance. You have a similar scenario in East Africa, via Zanzibar but here the waves are smashed on the Coast, and diffused inland from there thru trade routes. By the time Malawi is hit, No matter from what direction…there is very little outside genes. You get that magic % where something is entirely acclimated to the tropics, yet has probably been lightly touched by outside genes. In Malawi’s case, maybe from 4 directions. The Nile/ Great Rift, the Congo, Zanzibar and South Africa. It’s proximity at the headwaters of Africa has exposed it to everything. Every direction brought with it the possibility of shortflowering genetics.

I’ve grown their p Malawi, and I’ve grown 3 other Malawi’s. Ace p Malawi is their Malawi hybridized with PCK or my name isn’t Upstate. I’d bet my left nut, and I’m rather attached to that one. My journey is well documented here on OG. I’d grown no Indicas here the summer i grew p malawi and the Ace Panama. I made p malawi x p Malawi seed. I gave out some seed to @YoBigdaddy, who found a short green 8 week Paki plant. I had a p Malawi volunteer come up in my previous years p malawi container, and it flowered 8 weeks, had purple and pink buds, and smelled like Strawberry chewing gum, a perfect description of pck.
If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its probably a duck.
Having established in my mind, and the mind of any responsible preservationist, that p malawi is in fact a hybrid, it calls into question the reliability of what we’re told about the other genetics they carry, which are also remarkably fast for what they’re supposed to be.

No one needs any other info. The spread of flowering time is self explanatory I think. 16-18 weeks for Malawi. 9-13 weeks is spot on for a Kush

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Masisi DRC Pygmy weed, and Nigerian Yoruba, further along

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Thousands of years of hybridization and trade. I think it’s even likely that hybridization took place in Africa in the 1970’s and 1980’s just before a lot of the more recently collected “landraces” were sourced. Most landraces are a result of hybridization and subsequent acclimatization and it’s likely a lot of the “landrace” stuff we have isn’t even true landrace and hadn’t had the time to acclimate, that they were just collected from a distinct region but they were actually hybrids before acclimatization into true landraces.

My thought is if Afghans and other short flowering types have likely been used to hybridize things in Africa since antiquity, it stands to reason a similar performing variety to PCK could have been used if not PCK itself, while in Africa. Arab traders could have brought PCK over at some point in history during the thousands of years of trade. Hippies could have, sailors, or just people working in the region. Visiting or vacationing. I’m not saying PCK (or something similar) isn’t in ACE Malawi or that it hasn’t been hybridized, I’m saying ACE didn’t add PCK and then lie and hide it’s inclusion. It doesn’t make sense to me that Dubi would lie when they offer plenty of hybrids already.

When a line is taken out of it’s region of origin and selected at a much more northern latitude it will begin to revert back to those higher latitude roots. It’s simply matter of selective pressures being different and influencing observable expressions across F gens. Selections and selective pressures make all the difference.

There’s a similar thing that can be noticed in the Angola that La Mano Negra shared. Since leaving La Mano Negra, varying selections and selective pressures in subsequent F gens created different phenotypic expressions in those resulting populations. Different morphology, different flowering times. ACE Malawi purple expressions could even be a recessive that was happenstance doubled up on.

To be Malawi landrace something doesn’t have to flower for 16-18 weeks. It depends on what was selected for. One could select to include some quicker flowering types along with some longer flowering types and over enough time with acclimatization it would very much be considered a landrace. And there are many instances of people reporting 16+ week flowering in their ACE Malawi. The ACE Malawi might or have even left Africa as a true landrace and was mistakenly called that, just because it was sourced from Malawi.

Dubi said their ACE Malawi was selected towards the quicker types, so some hybridization happened at some point for that to be a possibility compared to true Malawi Gold types, ACE’s aren’t labeled Malawi Gold that I know of though. But I don’t think they secretly added PCK and there is historic ancient trade with strong likelihood of the inclusion of Afghan/Pakistani/Chinese/ genetics in African cannabis for hundreds if not thousands of years or even as recent as the 1970’s and 1980’s. So to say, it couldn’t have come during those many instances of trade. If it’s not possible for those genetics to be in Africa then the idea of Black African Magic wouldn’t seem probable either. I think quicker flowering types would be highly desired to hunter gatherer groups, as they are often on the move so having something that matures quicker would be helpful. Many accounts written in DuToits book mention harvesting prematurely as to not have to wait longer so I can imagine something being ready earlier and also mature would be highly desirable.

I live somewhere where things can be harvested as late as December or January most years but if I selected something that was ready in October, eventually it would be considered a landrace given enough time and plants grown. Even though the location can produce landraces that go 16 weeks doesn’t mean it can’t also produce a landrace that can (or have types) that go 9-10 weeks. It’s the higher latitudes that have a more narrow range of types that can be created as it relates to flowering time, but in the tropics or semi tropics a wider range can be created. So I don’t ascribe to the idea that tropical or semi tropical landraces must be 16+ weeks flowering, or that they can’t be fuller denser flowers because with selection they very much can be. And I’m quite certain that with the Arab trade in Africa they were bringing over a bunch of different types, Chinese, Indian, Pakistani, Afghani, Uzbekistani, and hybrids of them all. I don’t think they were purists in the sense that they only wanted the longest flowering types. Probably a good mix of them all.

There’s a video on YouTube with the title “Cannabis Sativa a Super Crop ICA Malawi” that shows dark hued deep purple almost black plants being grown in Malawi which exemplifies my previous points about hybridization with purple quicker flowering more dense inflorescence types in Africa without ACE influence. Or maybe that Malawi farmer ordered some PCK from ACE and crossed it to the local varieties? Have a look, they’re dark hued and thick floral formations compared to 16+ week types.

Maybe there was some accidental cross contamination in Spain, sure that’s a possibility. Im open to the possibilities like that but I don’t see Dubi as purposefully adding PCK then lying about it. But just like it may have been an accidental cross pollination I think it’s also possible that it was hybridized in Africa before leaving the continent. I’m not big on absolutes when there is a realistic possibility for either or. I’m curious what y’all think about the dark hued flowers in the aforementioned video I mention. Growing in Malawi, do y’all think they have ACE PCK in them or perhaps something else? Many blessings and much love

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any Evidenz why a Landrace has to flower this or that flowering time?

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it’s cool to etablish limits and guidelines
its uninteresting to not bring Evidenz

Kongo Highland is like our summer
probably the absence auf high temperatures allows for very short plants

why do plants flower fast in the first place why do They flower long

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Ive noticed that leaf shape determines flower time almost like how many photons they “farm” from the sun . Wider leaf =more photons per day =fewer days ps just my own realizing of things , probly way wrong

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why do plants flower fast in the first place why do They flower long

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  • Sativa strains (e.g., Haze) take longer (10-16 weeks) because they evolved in tropical climates with long growing seasons.
  • Indica strains (e.g., Kush) flower faster (6-9 weeks) due to adaptation to colder climates.
  1. Photoperiod Sensitivity – Some strains need a strict 12/12 light schedule before they transition to flowering.
  2. Extended Vegetative Phase – If a grower keeps cannabis under 18+ hours of light, it will stay in the vegetative stage and delay flowering.
  3. Low Stress Training (LST) & Topping – Training methods like bending or cutting tops delay flowering but lead to bigger yields.
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  1. Favorable Conditions – When a plant gets ideal sunlight, temperature, and nutrients, it may flower faster.

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