Howdy @US3RNAM3, do you really think no hybridization with quicker flowering denser inflorescence types went on in Africa during the hundreds and thousands of years of trade?
My earlier comments referenced actual historical record of trade between central and eastern African regions and Balochistan. I think it’s more than likely there was an infusion of genetics. Earlier finishing types are valuable. They were trading ivory from as deep in Africa as Congo back to China. As referenced earlier, much trade with the Balochistan and from Pakistan the shortest distance on land to China is through Chitral. There are a handful of quicker flowering dense inflorescence types that could have been traded. And it’s quite likely to have happened.
I can imagine cannabis enthusiasts bringing novel purple types as trade items across the trade routes, or even just for personal enjoyment. Bringing quicker flowering types, bringing types with more trichome coverage having been selected in drier more arid climates. Centuries of trade between the two continents. Chickens in Africa came from Asia and cannabis has followed man for eons. So your reason of some African types showing bigger buds, looking Afghani influence and things like that doesn’t mean it has to have come from some secret infusion in ACE’s Spanish work. That’s just hearsay no matter how many Simpsons gifs you post.
Ciskei, Bushman’s sativa, flowers quickly and has dense flowers.
Transkei also flowers quickly and has dense flowers.
Swazi flowers moderately long with some outliers on both ends of the spectrum, and can have humongous flowers.
Both Ciskei and Transkei have bantustan roots. KaNgwane bordering Swaziland does as well. These are areas where Bantu people were basically relocated during apartheid. I think it’s realistic to think they brought with them their preferred cannabis.
There are certainly instances of quicker flowering types with large dense inflorescence in Africa. It stands to reason they came from the aforementioned trade history, of which much of that trade was also done in Congo and Malawi. So to think only thin leaflet long flowering airy inflorescence are the only types in those regions is dismissive of the rich history of trade that I’ve outlined above. Just because you want landraces from those regions to be ultra long flowering with sparse inflorescence doesn’t mean the locals of that area over the span of hundreds of years felt the same.
Hybridization, especially for quicker flowering types, has been a valuable and highly desired resource for agriculture since basically forever. Especially in antiquity where living and survival was much more difficult compared to the modern world. Having a line that incorporated early finishing types along with late finishing types helps to improve the odds for successful harvests year after year. Being able to have a harvest 2 months early would have been a miracle for ancient people for the years where the late season crops were ruined by unfavorable weather. Having a landrace that has that type of variability and population fitness is incredibly valuable. They weren’t collecting landraces the way we do as passionate hobbyists and purists, they were surviving and very much still are.
I’m in the process of moving to Hawaii and I very much enjoy long flowering thin leaflet types, but I will most definitely plant quicker flowering types as well to ensure the most favorable harvest success. Of course I’d very much enjoy the longest flowering types but some years it may rain more or less towards the end of the season, so have something to harvest is better than nothing. Maybe it’s different for those collecting and growing indoors. Growing outdoors one is at the mercy of the weather year to year. For ancient people, they most definitely valued early finishing types of all crops. It could be the difference between eating, living, surviving and death or famine. The difference between having and not having cannabis until the next harvest year. Creating an adapted line with population fitness to ensure successful harvest across the most extreme ends of the spectrum with respect to weather year after year is what landraces are all about. Landraces have variability. They aren’t just one phenotype. The amount of variability depends on selection. Also, once those landraces are taken out of their local environment of which they adapted to, they are no longer considered a landrace. From landrace stock, sure, but no longer a landrace. So unless you’re growing your landraces in their region of origin, they’re no longer landraces. The seeds you’re collecting and growing outside their region of origin included. The seeds you’ve collected that were reproduced outside their region of origin aren’t landraces either. Once you plant something to reproduce outside it’s region of origin, poof, no more landrace claim. So a lot of what you consider landrace isn’t even landrace.
Dubi may not word things perfectly, but neither do you. Dubi seems genuine in his work though and I don’t think he is purposefully misleading people by adding things to the work that he knows is added and then not sharing that in the pedigree. It’s just not his style and I don’t see the incentive for him to do so. He’s one of the most forthcoming and active breeders who engages with his customer base and the descriptions align very closely to the varieties he sells with respect to what one can expect when growing them.
Astroturfing would imply that I have a stake in ACE seeds somehow which I do not. It’s factually incorrect to imply I’m doing that. I just see the history different than you and back it up with historical data. You’re just parroting rumors you’ve read online and have unrealistic expectations as to what seeds from regions with extensive trade networks for hundreds of years should express like to you.
Dubi is one of the most forthcoming retailers. ACE Seeds publishes terpene analysis, cannabinoid analysis, and their varieties match their descriptions closely.
You continually bring up Bangi Haze and Panama. As thoroughly referenced in my recent comments, it’s quite likely that hybrid cannabis has been in Congo at some point or another (likely many times over) during the trade between those regions and Balochistan as well as other areas from which quicker flowering broad leaflet types are common, for example China. Centuries of trade, but I think the most likely infusions that remain today came in the 18th and 19th century.
And Panama, holy melting pot Batman. Workers on the canal came from as far away as China with most coming from the West Indies. Chinese laborers built the Panama Railroad. Then to consider, the actual canal was a shortcut for traversing the globe as a primary means of oceanic trade makes it ripe for the infusion of genetics from far and wide. To think Panama doesn’t have likely hybridization with respect to quicker flowering denser types of cannabis is dismissive of the massive trade networks that pass through the region as well as the cultural diversity by way of laborers who worked on the infrastructure systems as well as the merchants who operated businesses catering to those workers.
Arabic-speaking migrants from the Ottoman Empire embarked on mass migrations across the Atlantic in the late 19th century. Large numbers traded and settled in the Caribbean region.
A pattern developed whereby migrants sought out boomtowns around the Caribbean region
During the digging of the Panama Canal it would be realistic to consider it a boomtown.
I read that some Arab/Muslim’s traveled to Panama during the digging of the canal to setup merchant shops as well as brothels catering to the laborers and businessmen. I don’t think it’s unrealistic to think they didn’t bring cannabis of different types with them for trade or personal use which found it’s way into the local gene pools.
It’s said Arab traders are responsible for the diffusion of Cannabis into Africa. It’s well known they deal in cannabis trade as well as personal consumption.
In that regard, African cannabis is said to have originated from the Arab trade. And you think they just traded long flowering thin leaf airy inflorescence types? That’s hardly based in reality considering the extent of their known trade routes. They likely traded and helped diffuse all types of cannabis into the regions they traveled and traded. Everything from Chinese varieties to Afghan, Pakistani, Iranian, Uzbekistani, Indian, and more. Quick flowering types, long flowering types, colors from green to red to purple.
Muslims have migrated to Panamá for centuries, but a defined Muslim community is more recent. In the early 1900s, some immigrants of Arab origin came to Panamá, but they mingled with the Panamanian population and lost their religious identity.
Other Muslim Indians trickled in circa 1925-30, for the most part Punjabis, Bengalis, and Gujarati.
Panama has a rich history of genetic admixture, and along with that I would expect it’s cannabis gene pool too, as cannabis follows man and has done so for eons.
Africa was certainly not the only region where Arab traders operated. Your idea of pure long flowering types being the only true representations of landrace is not realistic. Sure, many can be that way, but it’s not likely that all are or have been throughout history.
Also, Durban is not just one microclimate. Durban encompasses an area with vast geographic diversity from soil type to variations in elevation. There are many types to be found in Durban, so the idea of them just being long flowering with sparse inflorescence is also unrealistic. Fun fact, the port of Durban used to be called the Port of Natal. The port of Natal was a British trading post and the region of Natal was a British colony. The British traded with the Mughal Empire since as early as the 1600’s. The Mughal Empire was very fond of cannabis. They occupied the lands from which many quick flowering dense inflorescence types hail from.
The Mughal Empire ruled over most of modern India, Pakistan and Afghanistan in the 16th, 17th, and 18th centuries. In the early 16th century, a warrior prince named Babur marched east from central Asia, conquering huge areas of land.
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