Bodhi Soulmate f2 grow & f3 / S1 making

Indoor Growing Growroom Diaries
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I mean, it makes sense. I haven’t watched that video (or any of them; Jeremy’s beady eyes really weird me out), so I’m not sure exactly what fish product you’re talking about, but I use Neptune’s fish and kelp every now and then. Always at less than the recommended amount, especially when I use it in flower. I think last grow, I watered with like 1/6 the recommended amount around day 30 of flower, seemed to have helped. My plants usually get pretty crispy around day 45, but they didn’t this time.

Looking real good, @HorseBadorites! I love how you grow those massive plants. You just top multiple times, right? And then do a lot of training? That’s how you get them looking like that, yeah?

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The neptunes fish is the exact stuff I’ve got, says it can be a weekly feed on the back of the bottle, so that’s what lead me to that conclusion

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Yeah, I’m sure you could use it weekly if you wanted to. Most manufacturers of that kind of stuff will suggest kinda overdoing it, though, just so you buy more of their product haha. If I actually had a “regimen” and wanted to incorporate the Neptune’s, I’d probably only use it once every two weeks. At the most. As it is, I use it once or twice an entire grow. I should probably use it a little more.

That’s the thing with all of those products, fish hydrolysate, aloe, coconut, neem, whatever. Even the smallest amount that they offer is something that I’m barely ever gonna use before it goes bad haha. I wish they sold, like, a quarter of the smallest amount that they actually do sell. I’ve started keeping my neem oil and fish emulsion in the fridge and the freeze-dried aloe and coconut in the, uh, freezer. Seems to make it last longer. Or I think it does, anyway haha…

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One other thing about that Neptune’s: if you have dogs or cats, be prepared for them to go apeshit when you use it, either as a foliar or a drench. Years ago, way back, I foliared some outdoor plants with it and like two minutes later, both my dogs were over by the plants, eating the shit out of them haha.

When I drenched with it this last grow, indoors, my dog Bowie instantly went into the grow room. And he was terrified of it before that, wouldn’t go anywhere near the grow. But after I watered with it once, he got obsessed with the grow room, went in there with me every time I watered after that. I thought it was cute, just because he’d always been so weirded out about the grow before, so I just let him hang with me every time I watered. Ended up getting aphids. I’m certain he was the reason.

He’s not allowed in there anymore haha…

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This is all great info! Thank you, I should have figured to just ask the community here about this stuff instead of waiting for the BAS video. My thoughts are to alternate the fish soil drench and a kelp sludge soil drench weekly to keep things healthy in the smaller containers. Unfortunately I don’t have a dog at the house, so no concerns there, but the stuff certainly does light up the basement with that not so appealing fish smell when I’ve used it

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Thanks for sharing, i really appreciate all the info on these!
Those plants are looking beautiful, that last one really is filling out too.
Can’t wait to see how mine turn out now.

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I ran across this site a while ago. He uses soy or whey protein unflavored.

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Sounds like a plan. Let us know how that works out for you. I really don’t think growing in smaller containers, like five- or even three-gallon containers, is that big of a deal. I did it for years and never had an issue. Looking back, I probably did add more stuff to my water, more frequently, than I do now, but I still never had any kind of regimen, even when I was growing in three-gallon pots. I recall using sprouted seed teas a few times every grow (now I just topdress with MBP when I transplant into the seven-gallon pots). I also remember using alfalfa teas like twice a grow, in veg. I’d like to get back to using alfalfa teas more, actually. Those always seemed to really help. But I’m not sure I really did a whole lot any differently than I do now.

Haha, dude, for real, that stuff smells so gnarly. I’m not sure which my girl hates more, when I water with fish emulsion or when I foliar with neem. I actually like the smell of neem, but my girl hates it. She always goes,”Neeeeeeeeeem oiiiiillllllll!!” whenever I use that. We both hate the smell of the fish, though haha…

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for some reason i just seem to be getting deficiencies after a while with plants in smaller containers, my plan this next run is to just flip sooner and see if that helps, but what im really hoping to establish is a good regimen for keeping moms, and keeping them healthy. my assumption is just that when the roots max out the plants are getting bummed, so im hoping by hitting them with alternate waterings of kelp and fish throughout their life they’re getting enough nutrients to be able to stay happy for a longer time. ill definitely hit back on how it works out since ive got some Good Medicine F2s that just hit water today

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What about when you grow in larger containers? I only ask because (and I’ve mentioned this on another thread or two) I seem to get “deficiencies” in the seven-gallon pots, too. Nothing major or anything, I don’t stress about it, but I really haven’t noticed much of a difference between growing in three-gallon pots, five-gallon pots or seven-gallon pots. Maybe I’m just a shitty grower, I dunno. There’s probably things I could do, adding stuff to my water more frequently, that’d probably help (like I did with that tiny bit of Neptune’s that I watered with once in flower last grow), but I feel like there’s really no difference between growing in three-gallon pots and growing in seven-gallon pots. Except the seven-gallon pots are way heavier haha.

I don’t ever keep mothers around, so there may be a difference there, keeping plants in veg for months. I think watering moms with a little alternating fish/kelp might be the way to go. Again, let us know how it works out for you. I’m very interested in hearing how it goes.

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Keep them under very low 24hr light in cooler temps, keep them well trimmed back, and keep them only slightly watered but weekly IPM’d. These things will keep them happy and healthy for a very long time in small pots. Only increase the light, temps and water in preparation for taking clones.

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My outdoor plants were in 30gals and did fine all season long until maybe 2-3 weeks before I chopped where they were starting to show some browning in the leaves. I top dressed those like 2-3 times total and gave them 1-2 teas for the whole season. That, plus Jeremy from BAS harping on it as well is what made me believe that larger soil volumes buffer against deficiencies at least a little bit. It’s edifying to know that you see the same kind of stuff I am though. I agree that it’s not the end of the world for some small deficiencies to show up along the way but I do wonder sometimes if they are keeping things from really expressing to their fullest potential, so just trying to nail down a better SOP if I can. I’ll for sure report back during this run to see how the combo does.

@nube thats all super helpful relative to housing mothers, thank you! I’m realizing after reading this that I had my mothers under what I guess you could call more “intense” vegetative light (I run two spider farmer SF1000s in my veg tent so I don’t know how intense they can actually get) could have been a contributing factor in driving them faster than necessary in their pots.

This is all killer info and giving me a lot to think about, thank you thank you! :v:t2::v:t2:

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I’m bookmarking this post for if/when I ever get around to keeping some mothers. It never would’ve occurred to me to lower light intensity, but that totally makes sense. I don’t have that option with my Apaches, but I could probably just raise the lights, like around three feet above the plants, and that’d work the same, yeah?

I mean, I think it does. Again, it makes sense to me. More soil/more nutes/more life, you gotta figure that’s beneficial. I dunno. Again, I’ve mentioned this on other threads, but I haven’t noticed an increase in yields or overall plant health or whatever since I’ve moved from three-gallon pots to seven-gallon pots. I’ve actually gotten the best yields-to-soil ratio from the three-gallons. I’m not saying I’m gonna switch back to that haha, but I’ve noticed it.

Yeah, I think that’s actually a thing. I do feel like I’m not getting the most out of my plants a lot of the time. That could just be me, us, human nature, always thinking we can do better haha. But I do feel like sometimes my plants don’t do as well as they maybe could have. At the same time, I wonder what exactly I could do to achieve optimum output or whatever. I’ve done both the “water-only” thing and the “fulvic/neem-and-kelp teas/aloe, coconut blahblahblah” thing and I really didn’t notice a difference. Done it in three-gallon pots and seven-gallon pots. No difference. The one time I actually followed a regimen, with the fulvic and MBP and coconut and whatever, my plants got fucking fried.

It’d probably help if I did what you’re planning on doing, keeping some mothers around, taking clones and growing the same thing two or three (or more) times, just to see how the same cross responded to different growing methods or whatever.

I dunno. I really love growing and I really love just about every plant I’ve ever harvested. Growing really lifts my spirit. I just love it. I feel like if I got all stressed about it and was constantly trying to figure out,”How can I do this BETTER???” it’d ruin my enjoyment of just watering plants, chopping, hanging and drying and then blaaaazzziiinnngggg haha… Ya know? I’m fine with the weed I grow. I love it.

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Oh I totally hear you man, Same boat. I’ve never been bummed about a plant I cut down and hung, and I’m for sure not stressing over not getting it right, but I’m just stoked to learn so I keep asking myself “what could I do better, or different” all with good cheer though. I think if I was truly getting stressed out the way I do over work or my kid I’d prolly hang it up and just buy dispo weed, but as it is I’m just stoked on every seed I crack and every plant I chop, just always looking around to see if there’s something simple I can add to do it a little better that’s all. Sounds like we’re kindred spirits though. Respect. :facepunch:t2::v:t2::call_me_hand:t2:

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I was just about to chime in with this regarding the lower light intensity.
I’d you’re not pushing them to grow they’ll happily plod along at a leisurely pace.

I kept a cut of a Purple Orange CBD in a 1gal pot for about 7 months, under 23w of LED. Never let it get above about 1.5ft, it didn’t show any deficiencies, just kept putting out small ish fan leaves. When I potted it up and flowered it, it just exploded.

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I think this is what a lot of people forget when they go down the rabbit hole of growing information.

For me, (and for yourself by sounds of it) growing is a very therapeutic part of our day.
I really enjoy the process of tending to them, brewing up teas etc, and just generally watching them grow.

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For sure, dude. I’m always reading, always “listening” to other growers (if they type it; I don’t do podcasts haha). I love growing. Any time you wanna talk about growing, I’m down haha. The only thing I like more than growing is talking about growing haha…

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Haha yea man! Same deal, that’s why I love this OG community, so many like minded folks, I watch my friends and wife’s eyes glaze over as soon as I start talking about it, not in here. God help the poor soul that mentions offhandedly to me “oh you grow your own…?” Imma talk your ear off buddy!

I’m definitely gonna look into this lower light intensity, I’m so surprised I never put that together before now, sometimes the easiest solution sitting in front of your face is the one you can’t see I guess

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Absolutely. I’ve been on a growing rampage the past couple years, pretty much nonstop, but I had to take this past September off because I got aphids. The first few weeks, it was actually kinda nice, not having to deal with anything. But the last week of September, I found myself feeling a little irritable and kind of aimless. Planted some seeds on October 1 and was like,”Ahhhh, okay. I have a purpose again…” haha!

Just watered my seedlings with a little OG Biowar Nute and I’m so fucking pumped haha. Very stoked about this grow. And yours, too! Grow grow grow haha…

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You could, yes, but a better option (if keeping moms) is to light them separately with a dimmable fixture so you don’t waste electricity, create heat, etc. You can’t get it high enough to lower the intensity enough to slow them down to what I’m suggesting. You’d need a tent 40ft high.

This also works for clones, once rooted. Also, there’s tons of strategies for keeping cuttings in the fridge, where they will stay OK for a month+, and still root OK afterward if properly stored. Just look up some of the discussions I’ve had about this. Additionally, you can keep rooted clones in the fridge to suspend their animation for months at a time, as long as they don’t freeze.

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