Ah yeah you’re right, my bad 
And can second this, I forget where bodhi says it but pretty sure it was more recent 
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I don’t know about all that, the nepali og used to be a known article in the bay area, before tastes changed and purp was in demand, and whatever moves is always the best cash crop.
It came from grass valley. Bodhi mentioned this in the original description of the goji, and on the old bodhi thread on breedbay.
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@HolyAngel @minitiger
just wanted to chime in on the whole OG structure conversation… I have a few posts about this.
What I would consider genuine og may actually be extinct at this point, due to the higher yields and similar-ish smells offered by both european copies, and domestic hybrids. Real OG had very very small buds, the size of a raspberry or smaller, with intense resin production of layers of tiny resin crystals, not the large capitated trichome glands you see on “og” genetics now, and a heavy fuel skunky loud smell, not the sweet smell people describe as og now.
It had unusual rustic growth characteristics which really only made sense for the outdoor growers in the bay and emerald triangle, and inland deserts. The lanky internode distance and small buds produced well for the socal desert growers who had good full sunlight, the small buds were easy to trim and dried quickly for a quick commercial sale. These traits of small dense buds and lanky internode spacing also worked well for the emerald triangle and bay area growers whose plants were exposed to constant coastal fog and fog drip.
let me know if you ever find an og cut that puts out tiny little nug berries like that. very low yields, very small buds, very high potency, with a textbook loud smell.
I remember one time when I used to buy og kush on the street, I got on the muni bus with a gram in a candy tin, stuffed in my nikes. Within 30 seconds, the smell had filled the entire bus, and the driver started joking with everyone, calling out “Someone has that good-good! I don’t know where it is, but I can smell it! Mmm-mm! break me off a piece of that!” over the intercom
This one may still be trickling around mostly in the hands of serious private growers, because without high demand, its low yields and appearance wouldn’t make sense for commercial grows.
The other traits to look for with a true og are very small fan leaves, which are dark green and waxy. When the buds start to get ripe, the fan leaves below each bud get a heavy coat of resin on the underside of the leaves. as it produces more and more of those tiny resin glands, eventually the surface area of the underside becomes greater than the surface area of the tops of the leaves. the edges curl up into little ridges on the sides of the leaves, which turn white with resin, which the waxy tops of the leaves produce no resin at all.
Expect very few sugar leaves, but the ones there are will be very sugary.
I never grew the nepali. here are a few examples of true og cuts that match this description-
OG (the original, possibly extinct. stands for ocean grown)
Tahoe OG
SFV OG
Platinum OG (I grew this cut for several years when I lived in the bay area)
White Fire OG
and by tahoe og, I’m referring to the known cut, I haven’t seen master thai’s tahoe og seed line so I can’t be sure whether that represents the phenos I’m talking about. hopefully I’ll be able to trade for some once people on the forum make fgens.
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Interesting. Funny story about the bus driver, too. I love California. One time, I got on the red line in Koreatown at 7am (this is back before I got old and woke up at like six in the morning every day without an alarm). When the train started leaving the station, the driver got on the mic and was like,”Good morning, all you beautiful people, blahblahblah…” and said whatever he had to say. I was just like,”Haha, ahhhh, morning people…”
Anyway, like I said, interesting about the OG. What about serious stretchiness? Would you say that that’s also a defining characteristic of OG’s? I only ask because I saw a grow report of that California Cannon (Tahoe x Stardawg) recently and those plants stretched way out of control. Like 4x their initial height. I just started a couple seeds of that, is why I ask. I chalked it up to maybe the lighting the guy was using. And also the genetics. But mostly I figured it was because of the lighting. I don’t recall what the dude was using (he may not have even mentioned it), but I do not expect mine to stretch 400 percent. But if they do… I dunno. I won’t be mad or anything haha.
I grew some Larry Lotuses last round that were kinda like you described. Low-yielding for sure. Small nugs. I guess maybe super-wide internodes. Can’t remember offhand right now. Definitely low-yielding, though. Which was weird, because the first time I grew the Larry Lotus, they yielded really well. And grew completely different than this last time.
Anyway…
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I remember Bodhi saying that that Nepali originated in Grass Valley, too. But in that podcast, I think he was speculating on where it actually came from. Like before it was grown in Grass Valley. And he said he thought Nepal because of the name, but then realized that maybe it was from the Nepali coast in Hawaii. I dunno.
It’s funny. I HATE podcasts. I don’t know why, exactly. But I just cannot listen to them. My girl listens to them all the time. It feels weird to me to just sit there and listen to two people talk. Which doesn’t make any sense since I watch “Around The Horn” and “Pardon The Interruption” every day. Same thing as a podcast, basically. But I’ve only ever listened to two podcasts, the Bodhi one with Adam Dunn (finally remembered that dickhead’s name!) and the Adam Dunn one with JJ/Top Dawg seeds. I didn’t even finish the Top Dawg podcast. But that Bodhi one was very informative.
My point being: maybe I should listen to more podcasts haha!
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I haven’t seen the one with JJ-NYC, but I can definitely recall not caring to finish the one with Bodhi right around the time it was released. I just can’t understand why you would interview anyone by asking questions, interrupting the guest’s answer and then trying to take a shot at answering your own question. That shit drove me mad. I really wanted to hear Bodhi speak, but I just couldn’t stomach much of the host’s bullshit. I might take another crack at it at some point, since you say it is pretty informative. Positive vibes…
~nugzz
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The Pot Cast on youtube or soundcloud has two bodhi interviews that are worth a listen ^^
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sadly I find Adam Dunns podcast hopelessly boring IMO.
I dont think ive watched a whole one yet, even the Kevin Jodrey one I couldnt finish.
Thats saying something as Ive watched almost every video on YT with Kevin in it 2 or 3 times over. His one co-host (Dunn’s)seems like a bit of a tool also. Says stupid shit sometimes.Talking over people etc.
Anything Ive ever run from Bodhis gear was quality. I think alot comes down to selection when breeding. The more plants you can comb thru, hopefully the better the selection. I think Bodhi runs enough plant numbers to find some quality outliers to breed with. Great price for American genetics too.
if i remember right Bodhis Neapli OG was a building block in the Mothers Milk? Great outdoor strain. nice tasting flowers. Large heavy flowers when grown outside. cannot speak on indoor of it. was planning on making M.Milk F3’s this fall, but the mice changed those plans.
is that from Todd Mc Cormicks and Mel’s site @HolyAngel ? i was looking at Mel’s licorice Durb genetics on there if so, but the shipping to Canada was unreal. Like $40+ CAD funds for shipping. @HolyAngel NL/Haze/Sensi Star should be a winner, on paper. Im already partial to quality Hazes tho. Mc Cormick sells Haze genetics. Dunno if they as good as late 80’s-early90’s Haze/NL hybrids from Nevil’s genetics or not. I think Todd been working the Haze lines for a long time, i do know that.
Sadly i find most stuff peeps call Haze genetics today doesnt resemble oldtime Haze.
Im smoking some super silver haze right now. its a shadow of what Silver Haze was in the late 80’s. we’d smoke pinners in the bars of the Haze back then, cuz it didnt even smell like weed. smelled like Candy and heaven.
FACTS @minitiger. Having a large gene pool to pull outliers from is the ideal situation. Thats why I buy seeds out of Cali where quality-minded breeders will likely start several hundred seedplants, and widdle down to 2-3 keepers for further breeding. No substituting that (access to plant numbers).
Im running rebelGrowns gear this year from Cali. Some of their stuff is well worked lines, which makes it easier to find quality plants as most of the breeding for desirable traits are already done. Im just hoping the flowers will finish up for me before cold weather stays.
Unfortunatley growing large populations in North America is still dangerous to ones freedom.
Only a few states offer protection of plant numbers/sq space to do great breeding with.
Oregon, Cali, michigan and Oklahoma all have favorable conditions to breed plant populations within.
Maybe one day we can all run big numbers of cannabis plants w/o fear of prison. Would be nice.
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Yeah, it took me like six tries before I actually finished that Adam Dunn/Bodhi interview. I kept turning it off, but finally just went,”Okay, fuck it. I WILL get through this,” haha.
Adam Dunn… Gimme a break…
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Yeah, I think you suggested those to me before. Or was it Nube? Somebody did, anyway. I should listen to them, I know a lot of people like those ones. It just never occurs to me to listen to a podcast, ya know? I’ll try to remember to check them out, though.
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First of all, can you (or anybody) tell me how to do that quote thing? Where you take a line or two of somebody’s post, paste it and respond to it?
Anyway, yeah, Adam Dunn is a total tool. His co-host is, as well. They can both blow me.
And yeah, the Mother’s Milk is Nepali x Appalachia, if I remember correctly. I should’ve grabbed those beans when they were around. I loooooooove that Appalachia male. Every cross that Bodhi utilized that Appalachia dad has turned out fire. Best male he’s used, in my opinion. And yeah, I know that the Appalachia was bred by High n Lonesome. But Bodhi took it and ran with it.
As far as California “breeders” are concerned: I don’t know that they’re running hundreds of plants anymore and whittling them down to two or three parent plants. That was a long time ago. People are not doing real, true breeding these days. They’re running ten or twelve plants in a tent and chucking. Even Bodhi says he’s just a chucker. Which I appreciate. At least he’s out front about it. And putting the onus on us to do the work, if we want, is kind of admirable. Or at least understandable. He provides real genetics, we can do the work, if we want. The way things are going lately, with everybody just getting their shit out there ASAP, while the hype is ongoing… It’s ridiculous. This is, I think, one of the main issues with legalization. Before weed started getting legalized, you had real connoisseurs who demanded great weed. Nothing but the best. Now, you have the masses going,”Whatever… It’s weed, I like it.” And that’s fine. If people can make real money doing this, cool, I guess. But once you start catering to the masses, I can’t take you seriously anymore haha!
I’ll also say that before Prop 64, it cost me $130 a year to have a license to grow up to 99 plants (which I never got close to exceeding) and could freely take my weed to dispensaries to sell. Now it costs like $7500 just to have the license, in addition to all of the city, county and state taxes. Prop 64 is bullshit, clearly written by people with deep pockets (fucking Jeff Zuckerberg was a backer!) in an effort to move big business into the weed growing scene and push small-time growers out. I don’t grow enough to justify spending $7500+ a year to take my weed to dispensaries. I also voted “No” on Prop 64, even though I believe weed should absolutely be legal,
My point is: yeah, California et al provides protections for growers, but only if you have enough cash to pay the government. I don’t. So fuck them haha!
Anyway… What were we talking about…?
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hey @minitiger no problem bro. To use the quote left click your mouse once and hold it on corner of the text you wanna quote, then drag to opposite side of what u want to copy, then let go. A quote option comes up where ya can click it to highlite quote. also type in @ (then the name) of who you are talking too as well. Pretty easy when ya get the hang of it.
I have limited quantities of Mothers Milk F2 beans. I had intended to open pollinate some this year. till mice thought otherwise. next yr now I guess but great genetics I agree there MM parents
. I got big round plants like 55 gallon drums on stalks out of the MM F2s.
Agreed on the whole breeder vs “breeder” issue. Too many untested R1’s are coming out. Untested S1’s too, of clone only’s, which both do have their place but the newest easy way to make new seeds nowadays is to reverse sex a female clone-only cultivar and lay it on another clone only female cultivar and ta-da. seeds. Not a lot of talent in that. No selection involved.
Usually very little follow up work done on most breeds, I agree there. I try and support breeders who work their lines for time. Its a little more money but already paid for itself when I had shell cracking (germing) issues with RebelGrown Triangle hybrid. Gave em a heads up my TK’s didnt crack hardly (very tough shell;waterproof). So Dan the owner sent me 3 packs of various Rebelgrown strains, including what i ordered/didnt get the first time after replying to my email.
Said he didnt want customer issues like that. Regardless of the issue. Need more breeders in the space like this.
Yes, “Legalization” is the new cash grab we mostly thought it might being. Its around 6 figures to apply for licensing for Licensed Producers of cannabis growing in Canada I think. Keeps all the 5-figure bums out i guess lols. Its here so only the rich can play here in Canada apparently.
IMO, we were sold half a shit sammich as to alot of what was promised to us Canadians, they turned 180 degrees on us in the end. Its like they took the worst of the USA canna laws and used em here i swear. A former top cop wrote our laws, so no surprise.
Damn, thats not cheap is it? hardly worth doing your own large scale grows. Esp. after Cali’s taxes. ugh.
I hear ya on prop 64. when it first came out peeps didnt like things changing in Cali then. A lot of resistance I remember at the time for the prop. Buds were prolly $5,00/lb at that time too in Cali if I remember correctly.
Im allowed 4 per household here in Canada. Hard to hunt genetic outliers with a limit of 4 lol. Even harder to make seeds with 4 plants. Could be worse here tho I suppose, could be 0 live plants, or go to jail for growing. So it could be worse I guess.
Heard the Goon Squads were paying visits to Californians and doing illegal cannabis raids. hard to believe that shit still happens in Cali man. It was the light deps earlier this season, now its end of season gardens. Scumbag fucks. I heard they’d swoop in, mess your shit right up if not confiscate it, and be gone. no charges. fuckers working the grey area. Tear shit up but dont charge anyone. Un fucking cool.
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Very true about the Napa/Nepali mix up @minitiger . I’ve also had these old Bodhi breedbay notes and this is what he says of Goji
“Goji OG - ( Nepali OG x Snow Lotus )
Over the years ive worked on various og kush projects, some interesting plants have come through, but never the total package. this last year ive been testing a very special og hybrid called goji og, named after the bright red sour himalayan berry. this hybrid has excelled indoors and out and is truly the total package, incredible full on og aroma and taste with an undercurrent of red berries, black cherry, hawiian punch, licorice, and alpine strawberries.
one of the biggest yeilding ogs ive ever run that still maintain the effect, aroma, taste, and resin content of a true og. improved stature, no more floppy stems, or insane staking required… grows like an indica hybrid. the few people i have let run her, are dropping everything to pack their rooms with her. the cut i run was found from the first round of three seeds , when i saw the potential i ran a bunch more seeds outside to get a better look. the cross is a combination of my snow lotus male, which is very clear in breeding, i think thats how the magic happened, just passing the size, power and resin over while keeping all the qualities of the og kush. the mother is nepali og aka nepali kush, an old og kush from grass valley that is closest in appearance to the tahoe, the buy in for this cut in the mid 2000’s was 20 grand…lol… i dont know if any cut is worth that much, but it is a very nice og… theres two main phenos in the goji og line a big yeilding og smelling totem pole maker of infinite delight, and a smaller strawberry pheno that looks like a super frosty og, but has the super narco high of the snowlotus. the big og smelling pheno shows up about 3 times in one pack of seeds. f2’ing this line opens up a really cool genetic treasure chest, with pure purple stemmed snow lotus phenos, strawberry wands, and nepali og dom girls. im really excited and proud to offer this to the community… enjoy… and many blessings on your grows. (Variety Mostly Sativa; THC Content - 18-26%; CBD Content 0.5%; Yield High; Plant Height Tall; Grows Greenhouse, Grows indoors, Grows outdoors; Flowering Time 9 weeks; Harvest Month October; Awards 1st place concentrate, 3rd place hash htcc seattle 2013)“
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I disagree with the no floppy stems part
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Me too lol @TheShowMeHomie
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I’m on an iPad, so no mouse, but I just figured out how to do it on the iPad haha. I only use my “real” computer when I’m posting pics.
Yeah, I have a big problem with S1’s. I’d never grow those. And feminized seeds, too. Won’t grow those. I don’t think people should be breeding with those, either. I dunno why I think that, exactly. Like I said about autos, it ain’t natural haha.
No, it is not cheap. It’s crazy, actually. Like I said, deep pockets. I’ve seen/read interviews with a lot of California growers who are pretty much just breaking even. That’s everybody’s main complaint: they’re spending thousands and thousands of dollars in order to remain legal, but the laws and ordinances keep changing all the time, there’s no real guidance. And nobody seems to know what the laws actually are.
Just what everybody predicted re: Prop 64 is exactly what’s happening. Everybody’s going black market again. The price for an eighth of weed at dispensaries is crazy, after you factor in all of the taxes. I think all of the taxes come out to something like thirty percent, maybe a little more. And the quality of the weed sucks, too. California mandates that legal weed contain no more than 12.9% moisture. Have you ever checked out weed with 12.9% moisture or less? It sucks. It’s all dry and brittle, smells like hay.
Anyway, that’s why I grow all of my own weed haha! Fuck state laws.
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Oh, yeah, dude, I’ve got that Bodhi description of Goji committed to memory. I dunno how many times I’ve read that, but it’s higher than 100. Probably higher than 500 haha…
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Oh, duuuuuude… That blows. What happened? Did it just get insanely humid or something? I’ve never had an issue with bud rot (knock on wood), no idea why that happens. I’ve mostly seen it happen on people’s outdoor grows. Or hydro growers. I don’t think I’ve ever seen an indoor soil grower get rot before.
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FACTS @minitiger. Same here. I dont buy Govt buds, but i hear taxes are outrageous as every local and state Govt wants their cut also.
Also here in Canada I heard that rec cannabis will have its THC% capped at like mid 20’s. That removes alot of cultivars from the rec equation sadly.
Cali is hurtiing for any tax revenue so its no surprise the high taxes.
Ive grown my own off and on for 2 decades+. started growing at age 14. fuck the system, ill do my own thing thank you.
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