Bodhi Time Bandit and Goji

What??? How can they even regulate that? THC percentages fluctuate from grow to grow, even if you’re growing the same strain multiple times. So, what? If you end up with flowers that are over 25%, you can’t put them in dispensaries? Or something? And then you’re screwed and stuck with a crop that can’t be sold legally? That is ridiculous…

I don’t know where you got that from, but California is definitely not hurting for money. We tax everything haha! Last time I checked, we had like a forty billion dollar budget surplus. Of course, that was before COVID. Probably a lot lower now…

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Alright, so humidity levels have dropped in LA super-crazy low the past few days. Even in paper bags, the Time Bandits were starting to feel a little too crispy for my liking. And the branches snapped really easily. So I started trimming and jarring yesterday. Started with the #4 and then the #3. They both smell EXACTLY like that Woody OG. Are y’all familiar with the Woody? I can’t describe the smell accurately, but the #3 and #4 smells spot-on like Woody. And the buds even look like Woody. All dense with no vegetation and really, really hairy.

I’ve only ever bought one eighth of Woody OG, like maybe about ten years ago. I’d totally forgotten about it until just now, when I started dealing with the trimming and all that, but I immediately was like,”This reminds me exactly of Woody OG.”

Anyway, my point in starting this post was because I just started trimming the Time Bandit #2 and it is extremely fuel-y smelling. Very gas-y. Which I didn’t anticipate at all. It didn’t smell anything like that while it was growing. But it’s overwhelming, gas-y as fuck now. Kind of making me nauseous, actually. Very strong. I’m probably gonna put on a mask to finish it up.

So, yeah. That’s all. Time Bandit #2 is super-gas-y haha… Looking forward to trimming the #6 in a few hours. Or a few days.

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I believe it’s from laying on itself

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Man, I had to quit trimming the #2. The smell was just too much. It was really getting to me. Haven’t had this much trouble with the smell while trimming since the Goldstar f4’s I grew a few years back… Looks good, though! I’ll finish her up tomorrow and then start working on the #6.

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I’m not saying that Napa cut isnt a grass valley cut I’m sure it is.

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Oh man that a nice cola to have to cut down. She looks like she’s almost done.

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Yeah I’m drying it just out of curiosity I bet it’s a zip atleast

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I was catching up on your thread. Fell behind on most threads because of outdoor work. Those Goji’s are looking yummy. Great job. Are those 5 gallon pots? I have the same issue as you right now from TM7. I never thought about it but after you said something…it makes sense. Every time I add TM7 I get some yellowing on the bottom that will clear up after. I need to cut back. Thanks.

I have my Goji going into flower here in the next week. I let her get big and floppy. She falls all over the place. I have a special support I built out of high tensile fence and bamboo. I love Goji the bottom nugs get solid enough for concentrate and joints. I also defoliate her heavy at 21 days and she always bounces back. I’m popping some more Goji seeds this fall.

Great Job!

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Yeah, this grow I’m gonna lay off of everything. That TM7 issue really irritated me. Plants still turned out good, but I wonder how much better they would’ve turned out had I laid off of adding stuff… I’ve noticed that adding things to my water in veg, it isn’t an issue. Plants do fine, no yellowing or anything, but if I add anything after about two weeks of flowering, issues arise. I dunno if it’s because they’re in those big pots and the soil has everything they need or what, but whenever I start adding stuff during flower, bad things happen. I mean, even for this grow, since I was vegging those plants outdoors, I was foliaring with fulvic acid and neem and aloe and K Silicate and shit and they did fine. No issues. But as soon as I put them in their flowering pots and started adding anything more than just water, they got all crispy.

And they were in seven gallon pots, not five. I think I like those best. I’ve used three, five and seven gallons and to be honest, I’ve gotten the best yields from my three gallon pots, as far as yield-to-soil ratios are concerned. I usually get an ounce per gallon of soil in the three gallon pots and it diminishes the bigger the pots get. But the seven gallons are just so much easier. I feel like the three gallon pots (and the five, too, to a lesser extent), I have to do more stuff. Adding things to my water seems more necessary when I’m growing in three gallon pots, whereas the seven gallon pots don’t require as much attention.

I dunno if I’m making any sense haha, but that’s how it seems to me, anyway.

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I feel the same way. I have 20 and 30 gallon pots I like to run clones but for popping new seed the 7 gallon pots seem to work great.

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Roll up of all my comments to what I missed by not being here the last few days. :slight_smile:

Dang those Gojis are chunky beasts. I love how they look! Having only smoked but not grown it (yet - F2 run could happen anytime), this has me super excited. You were a very good caretaker of those plants (support issues aside lol) and it looks like they’ll reward you for it. :slight_smile: But, it all comes down to how they smoke. Can’t judge a book by its cover unless you’re growing to sell.

For the purposes of F2, all strains deserve to at least make a few babies the first time you run them, but old and out of print strains are the best if you’re going to share the F2. (Mother’s Milk F2 are on my short list of next preservation runs after Good Medicine.) I’d suggest just finding a female you like and using any male as long as it’s not unhealthy. There will be enough variation in those F2 from just two parents that you’ll likely find a lot of good in the offspring. Sometimes the dad is dominant, sometimes the mom, but variety is the spice of life. If you don’t find out until after you’ve made F2 that you didn’t enjoy the cross, Johnny Appleseed them in rural areas or give them to a veteran’s organization.

Or you can do like I do and use all the males and females in a typical heirloom preservation using “open pollination” - I’ve read it’s still considered open pollination from a genetics’ standpoint even if you apply the combined pollen of multiple males selectively to only a few buds of multiple females. It’s the multiple males and females that matter. Collecting pollen isn’t hard, but it will spread easily so beware and have your spray bottle of water handy. :wink:

As for chucking vs. breeding, I don’t know that it matters. If the outcome is good, do we care if the cross came from selections of hundreds of plants or merely a dozen? People theorycraft about this stuff all the time and I contend that it’s almost all immaterial to the discussion because most of the legendary strains used as baselines are bagseed anyway.

Also, to dispell any myths propagated on this site and elsewhere, bodhi does a lot of line work on his males in most cases. The HP dad is up to F6 I’ve read, and most of the other males being introduced are multiple generations deep. Wookie is F2 or F3. Purple Unicorn is F3. Kashmir is F2 or F3 from seeds that were already multiple generations deep from @Barefrog. He’s working on the Iraqi dad. He tests the males across multiple generations for a lot of things and then uses them on well-established cuts, tests them internally before testing externally, and generally vets the whole process more than any other breeder or breeding program, aside from some hemp CBD places with venture capital. So he’s doing work and the results generally show it. And, doesn’t he say he’s a “magician” not a breeder or chucker? :wink: Again, if the outcomes are generally enjoyable and positive, how much value is there in arbitrary categories we put them in? My thought is not much.

Just a quick thought on lens coverings for your lights - don’t use them except when spraying IPM or other foliar. Generally speaking, lenses and reflectors for LEDs actually significantly reduce the photon output, regardless of the style or material used, as measured by people on other forums. They were shown to produce as much as 15% less PPF using the lenses and reflectors on COBs. Most light fixture companies no longer ship with them as a result. Turns out it was a great marketing gimmick - they got us to spend an extra $20 per COB engine on stuff that made them perform worse.

Dude, listen to The Pot Casts with Bodhi, the ones I sent you links to. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: They are inspiring and so chocked full of info that I went so far as to start a transcript of them because there’s so many gold nuggets packed in there.

More soil is more forgiving in organics. 7gal is a lot but if it minimizes the watering cycles and gives them plenty of room to spread out, I’ll opt for that every time. I’m all for simplicity and bigger pots make the grow easier. I think to get yields the same per gallon of soil, you just have to veg a little bit longer and grow slightly larger plants. An extra week of veg makes a huge difference in those big pots.

Can’t wait for the smoke reports, man! Hope those fresh buds are good to you. Great job this grow! :slight_smile:

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Yeah, they looked pretty good when I chopped them. I may have hung them a day too long. I just cut them up to put them in paper bags a few minutes ago and they may be a little too dry. It’s just so friggin’ arid where we live. Our old house was only eight miles southeast of where we live now, but the weather is completely different. Crazy how dry it gets here. And it’s like fifteen degrees hotter in the summer and fifteen degrees colder in the winter, too. Wouldn’t think that eight miles made that much of a difference, but apparently it does.

Definitely not. I wasn’t criticizing Bodhi at all. I was just saying the days of people doing selections from hundreds or thousands of plants are pretty much over (I think). Seems like most people are just chucking in their closets or tents. Or maybe doing a small grow of five or ten packs of seeds, but nothing like what breeders were doing back in the day.

I actually think about this WiFi43 that Bodhi used, that was supposedly picked from a run of 500 White Fire seeds by… was it Jungle Boys? Some LA collective, anyway. TLC Collective, now I remember. I don’t know why they’d pick the most Indica-leaning, heaviest version of White Fire as their chosen female, when White Fire is such a special, unique OG hybrid, with a really uplifting, happy, positive high. Motivating. Good weed. It’s like, you really had 500 plants to choose from and you chose the one with a high type that’s so fucking common these days? The one that puts you to bed? Really?

I dunno… Maybe I just don’t trust the judgement of people who decide that out of 500 plants, the one they should use is the one that smokes like any old heavy Indica. Strains like that, that make you lazy and sleepy and shit, are a dime a dozen. Much harder these days to find good, happy, fun, uplifting weed, which I’ve always found White Fire to be. Maybe they just didn’t find that pheno out of the 500 seeds they supposedly ran. Anything’s possible, I guess.

We’ll see how the Time Bandits smoke.

I don’t even know if I have lens coverings on my lights. If I do, I’m not taking them off. I like my lights just the way they are, definitely not gonna start fucking with them haha. I do my foliars outside anyway, I dunno how people do foliars inside. My whole house would stink like neem oil if I did that. I actually kinda like the smell of neem oil, but my girl HATES it. I dunno why she’s so sensitive to that smell, but every time I bust out the neem oil (or even when I just do a little topdress with neem meal), she’s like,”Neem oil!!! Nooooo!!!”

I’ll check out those podcasts, too, at some point. I dunno what my problem with podcasts are, I just have a really hard time listening to them. I find myself considering something they said in them, thinking about that and missing five or ten minutes of the conversation. Same as when I watch television.

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Probably because you know they are alive and you feel for them. It’s nice to know I’m not the only one like this!

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Well, that and the fact that if I had my druthers, I’d be growing outside full-time. Or even part-time haha. I just love the way plants look outside, in the sun. As nature intended… haha! It’s why I veg outside for as long as I can. That, and to save money on our utility bill. Our last bill was 1200 bucks, so… Most of that is because we were running the AC so frequently. And we have a pool. But if I can save some money by throwing the plants outside for a few hours every day, I’m gonna do it. We also have solar panels, can’t imagine what that bill would’ve been like in our old house… I know most people recommend not putting plants outside and then bringing them inside, but if the plants are healthy and the soil’s all good, I don’t think there’s gonna be an issue. I haven’t had any yet, anyway (knock on wood).

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Yeah, this post right here, this is why I said who’s to say you can’t make a good selection yourself? :wink:
~500 supposed plants and they picked arguably the worst one in effects for the strain, can’t make this stuff up.

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All really good points I would agree with.
Quality is quality, in whatever package it comes in. These days, too much cannabis is grown and bred for seeking highly photogenic flowers.
Gotta have that perfect IG foto.
Theres been plenty of times the ugliest, most neglected females out of a population Id grow out, and after drying and curing it turns out is my go to pheno to smoke on.
Personally, Its been hard to overcome my own personal bias to assume the prettiest or most trichomed out flower will be the winner.
A great breeder is and should be ruthless when seeking out desirable traits. Accept nothing but the best and isnt seeking a pretty foto.

Yes! When Im buying genetics I now prefer to buy work from breeders that are working actual lines to make available and attempt to even try to improve the quality traits within that variety.
My RebelGrown Double OG Sour is a 5th generation IX/BX worked line variety.
Its been both IX’d and BX’d (incross/backcross).
Rebel then took desirable sibling males of each generation and incrossed them back to the original Sour D mom.
The desirable Kush traits of my D.O.G.S. have been mostly locked in already by the breeders work, making it an ideal starting point for me to cross other stuff into, and for shaping my own Kushy line going forward for my set of growing conditons
Sex reversing chemicals have changed the breeding game. Some say for the worse, and I attend I tend to agree in alot of cases sadly.
It doesnt take much breeding skill and feel to get 2 popular clone-onlys and reverse 1 of them to lay the pollen on the other, and… Ta da!
Creatingand selling R1’s and S1’s (reversed;selfed) of popular cultivars do have their place in cannabis the retail market if done right. And if done right it can produce stunning, outstanding cannabis plants.
But its been hi-jacked it seems to be used (un)intentionally for breeders to able to cut corners.
Thats just my opinion anyways, for what its worth.

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Yeah, I appreciate it when breeders work lines for sure. But I also like it when they just offer up f1’s and let us pick and choose and make our own selections if we want to (I haven’t done that yet, but some people have…). Both are good ways to grow.

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I don’t know if they picked the “worst” one. It just seems odd to me that you’d take a strain like White Fire OG and pick the pheno that smoked the opposite of the way it usually smokes. I guess the growers at TLC Collective just like sleepy-time strains or something. The WiFi43 has a good reputation, as far as heavy Indicas go.

I dunno. Like I said, we’ll see how they smoke. They’ve still got about two weeks in the jars before I’ll crack them and start sampling.

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Man, so I was trimming and jarring the Goji #3 last night and I could not figure out what I was smelling. There was a sort of earthy/fruit thing going on that seemed familiar to me, but I couldn’t place it. It wasn’t overwhelmingly sweet, but it had a “sweetness” to it. It was really hard to place. And there was a kind of “plastic” thing going on, too. Something man-made, not natural. It made me think of Star Wars and GI Joe action figures that I’d get when I was a kid, when I’d first open the package and it would just stink like the plastic that the action figures were made out of. But not exactly. I couldn’t put my nose on any of the smells (no pun intended), although they all seemed very familiar to me.

Anyway, I woke up this morning and opened up the jars to let them breathe, went outside, smoked a cigarette and went back into the room where the jars are to seal them back up and the entire room reeked of artificial blueberries. Or like a blueberry compote, but not quite as syrup-y/sugary. Really cool, I thought, and definitely not what I expected.

I hope it stays like that, I haven’t smoked any blueberry-flavored weed in a long time. A buddy of mine used to get this blueberry weed (not DJ Short’s) that smelled and tasted exactly the same way, like artificial blueberries. This is pretty dang close to that.

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What node(s) you top at?

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