Let me have some fun on it, I desserve it. I’m an unconditional fan of the Sweet Tooth #3, a line on which both were involved. And the best factual proof you can find that both “were wrong” is this strain, if you’re interpreting their respective shares as it.
The strain is already a multiple BX, it mean a total hell to inbred. But you known, the love.
I’ve made a bunch of F1 with it, experimental outcross or not. The most advanced parallel line was in F7 and is not mine anymore.
The males were carrying the specific chemotype of the ST#3 over the majority of “main lines”, impossible to pass the racy high or the unique fruity taste without them. I’m not talking about faithful tries in a corner, but about an insane number of selective combinations from dedicated lines started when Steve stopped the releases.
Females were crushed totally, but was printing the majority of their shape and productive traits (bud shape, yield/root mass, veg/flo maturity).
I’m also not talking about the best success and the baddest fails, but about a fucking curse with this line both in outcrossing it and in inbreeding it ^^ Add on top the stupid idea to replace the BX dynamic by an artificial genomic pressure (4way), and it make it even more complicated.
You see, the fathers themselves of this line are wrong and true in same time. Because the line and its specificity. The BX was made on a female, and it was not for the fun of doing it.
On the Blueberry alone, the things become barely paranormal lol. It ask so much focus to feel the phenos that if you try to understand them with a systemic approach, you’re finishing to run like a chicken beheaded in your selections. Too much randomizing mutations. “WTF?!” each generation outside hybrids.
It’s arid, there is no practical “how to” and it take time to digest. But everything you need is inside, and in the references at the end.
To stay focus and to have less the impression to sell my soul, i will consider that the subject is only “breeding only with females”.
Not “how to hack the fem catalog X and to make a better secondary Y catalog with it”.
In this vein, mastering STS (so, having the right lab’ for it) and to know how to make good calibrated seeds is enough to be hired everywhere in one minute. It’s a better bet.
It’s pointless for me to launch an inbreeding process from an outcross if it’s not to improve each generation a trait already at its maximum potential previously.
If you want only to stabilize the occurence of a given phenotype, just operate a backcross with the initial reference. It’s not simple, it’s not easy, you have to choose each time the right partner in the offspring in a more and more narrowed variation.
But you can’t humanly inbred a whole line for so much traits (a whole phenotype). The best of the game are playing with 30-50 traits at a time maximum, it’s nothing in comparison with a whole phenotype.
Actually the technic itself force you to stabilize brutally a big pool of phenotypic answers, without really knowing for the long term which part is good or not. Sound bad like that but it’s only if your goals are not delimited accurately.
It’s very good if you just want to known the nature of the traits you’e working in the line, on a specific specimen and under specific conditions.
Unfortunately, it’s pretty rare to be able to juggle with conditions enough hard to trigger phenotypic answers with reversed specimens. You have to do it before reversing the plant, in preying that the trigger is ON for good. Example : reversed plant under hydric stress VS reversed plant under optimal condition, to judge the variation of the potency. Just an example.
No, but sourcing it by example from a double-feminized line is not hard. It’s crazy.
And it’s a right assumption. You’re totally eliminating the male expression from your selection.
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with the right knowledge of the lines used, you can make rockstable F1 faster than light. At a level that take years to stabilize. But the longevity of this stability is not the same at all. Consider a BX like the over-diluted outcome of a selfed specimen, and it ask already some skills to bend without shuffling the genome.
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scents and aromas (well, terpens) are obviously far more easier to drive and to blend. Both in pre-selection and predictability. But not easier to improve, to change and to inject the part of chaos of the creativity.
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in the absolute, you cut the volume of your selection radically in growing only females. So, by extension, you can grow more females and to be more accurate on this type of specimens.
And with some mileage under the belt, a tool that don’t exist in a “regular” breeding : the possibility to test barely individually the traits you’re working in only one shot. It’s not magic, you have to know perfectly what you’re mapping under various conditions.
Males are printing their dominance in a more brutal way than females, whatever the trait worked.
It have its advantage : streamlining the line more powerfully in a good way, but with some mess
It have its disadvantage : streamlining the line more powerfully in a bad way, but with some mess
If you don’t like “messy” blends : suppress the males then.
It’s only in this specific case that it make sense for me.
Don’t be fooled and i don’t want to defend DJ Short at all. I don’t know how he work and with what.
But sometimes it take years, a fews lines and generations, to just get one improved to record.
They are all saying the same ^^ Change “blueberry” by the main line of the breeder.
Not much difference from the “males carry potency” of Steve and DJ ^^
Poly-hybrids can be rockstable. Also from twos stabilized lines pushed hard. Also selfed on themselves rightly.
No. It’s called a reversed female ^^
But i known you’e talking about pure recessive males.
Sometimes you have just to read the pedigree of the strains, and to determine patterns. Far more easy than selecting specimens that are more and more stabilized (by a way or another).
It’s a technical choice, you can mix barely anything also. But selfing a plant to come back to a wider genotype just after … i don’t really get the point, outside a BX with a reference.
Let’s say in this case that you try like all others before a perfectly accurate feminized version of a given “elite” cut. More, a feminized line that is outperforming the reference itself.