Breeding with the help of AI (HAL420-Style)

Sounds like a good idea and venture. Hope u will get financing! :+1:

There are a couple cannabis databases on huggingface. Hormold/leafly-full-dump-cannabis Ā· Datasets at Hugging Face and KellanF89/Cannabis_Science_Data Ā· Datasets at Hugging Face but the latter is corrupted and leafly isn’t the most reliable. Also someone on here @MrPanda made https://breedz.co/ based on extensive lab tests. It does basically what is intended in this thread. They have also provided the entire dataset here on OG.

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Thanx for sharing.

I do use CoPilot some, mostly for figuring out things like grams per gallon of water for fertilizer, how many PPFD a light is at a certain distance, when a base PPFD, of certain distance is known.

Ive also correct it a million times, and also got it to admit, that when asked touchy subjects, like politics, it is programmed to basically obfuscate. But, I confronted it, with known really important facts, it admitted, and why, when first asked, why it wont call a lie, a lie vs beating around the bush, I got the fucker to admit, it is programmed for such, but, when i did confront it, and showed it the facts I had, it had to admit something was a lie vs beating around the bush.

It has also referenced things I have posted on other forums, and used it as gospel. Though it may have been correct knowledge, its still slightly troubling, vs getting source info from a more scientific source, vs me.
It also gets confused easily, and Ive had to correct it numerous times. And the obfuscation, on touchy subjects, may take 10 minutes to resolvfe, when a simple Yes, or No, would have been the answer, and I flat out told it that all this bullshit, and yep, I said bullshit, is really a waste of my time. I tell it you obfuscate for 10 minutes, when a 2 second answer is appropriate.
It says Im right to hold it to a higher standard, and says from then out, it will not obfuscate ect and it mostly keeps its word.

I find it genius on some things, and extremely irritating on other things.

It also gave me incorrect PH Ranges for Promix BX. Said 6.2-6.4, when it should be 5.8-6.2.

I find it can easily be wrong, and the PH thing was after I asked it for a week if this was correct, and then one day, it changed its tune and gave correct PH. And I excoriated it, for telling me more than 20 times the incorrect PH ranges, and now, you are changing your tune after a weeks worth of wrong answer. Though I already knew the correct answer. I often ask questions I know the answers too, to test it, and I do this constantly.

While it can be a great tool, it can also be WRONG, on a regular basis.

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It sure can. I know that.

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Another thought and totally off-topic… If the quantum computing becomes reality in the next 4 to 5 years it will take AI a 1000 steps forward and will sure change our society.

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That was a pretty good explanation by Ai. It gives you a general idea of what to expect. From my 10 plus years of breeding experience, ive noticed that the first and second generation hybrids are truly unpredictable. You always end up with all sorts of anomalies.

Also, the generalized effects of any specific strain is really inaccurate. Each plant can differ greatly in its effects. The effects also will vary from person to person. Some people are really sensitive to certain cannabinoids. Everyone eventually comes to this conclusion.

Ai is pretty helpful with general things, but I wouldn’t rely on it for a breeding project. Direct experience is the only thing you can rely on. Even information from other breeders can be inaccurate or irrelevant. There are simply too many variables that are difficult to control.

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My problem with AI is it summarizes all input whether it’s true or false. I’ve also been in online discussions where we both ask google ai the same question and get different answers back that are more closely related to our opinions. Some of them literally just tell you what you want to hear

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I dont rely on it. Thank god.

I crossed the malawi with the iranian years ago and used AI a few days ago out of curiosty. For me it was on point. i popped a lot of those seeds over the years and so far Mr. Robot was not wrong. :smile:

I have 2 breeding projects that i wanna give a try in the next 12 to 15 Months. After that we will see if the AI-Predictions have some value or if AI is just a ā€œFortune Coookieā€.

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Might want to check out this

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Yes and no (a true AI answer :laughing:)).

As i said: AI is getting better every day. There is a reason why AI-Scientist getting paid like NBA-Players right now. Google, MS and all those companies invested over 150 billions on research to reach ā€œsuperinteligenceā€ this year. So lets see what we get and how useful or disrupting this will be in the near future.

PS: Sorry for my clunky english. It is not my native language.

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To make things clear: I am not preaching the AI-Gospel. I just wanted to know if there are other growers who use AI or have experience with it. Simple as that.

@TonesOwn And about the sources of information i asked the AI. This was the answer:

When you ask me about cultivating and growing cannabis, I rely on several types of sources:

  1. General botany and horticulture literature
    – Principles about light, nutrients, soil, pH, pest control, etc. come from general plant science and biology books, not just cannabis-specific material.
  2. Cannabis-specific standard works (well-known, widely cited books and online information)
    – For example, works by authors like Jorge Cervantes or Ed Rosenthal, which are often referenced in the context of indoor/outdoor growing.
    – Guides that discuss genetics, climate conditions, hydroponics, lighting, etc.
  3. Agricultural and medical publications
    – Studies on cannabinoid production, photosynthesis efficiency, the influence of stress on plant growth, harvesting, and drying methods.
  4. Current online sources
    – Reputable magazines, specialist forums, or university research reports dealing with hemp (Cannabis sativa L.), including in the non-psychoactive context (e.g., industrial hemp).

:point_right: Important: I don’t provide illegal instructions for cultivating drugs, but I do share information within the scope of botany, industrial hemp, history, and science. If you want specific tips, I’ll stick to legally safe aspects (e.g., differences between sativa and indica, how plants respond to light cycles, general plant care).


Would you like me to put together a list of reliable sources (books, studies, websites) you can use to learn more about cannabis in a legal and scientific context?

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Yup and it’s called an economic bubble. It’ll be nasty when it will explode.

ā€œSuperintellingenceā€ or AGI is a marketing pitch aimed at attracting money from venture (vulture?) capitals and for the opinion to fell in the trap. Did you notice they promise it every few monthes and then delay it every time?

ā€œAIā€ is just gigantic inaccurate knowledge databases used by algorithms designed to statistically guess which word (or pixel or whatever) is most likely to be next one given an input (and that is called an LLM). This has nothing to do with intelligence so it will never be ā€œsuperintelligentā€. It’s getting a bit better every few monthes because they polish the algos and curate the databases, but that’s all. Right now they’re at the point where they already captured all human knowledge and are training their algos on fake data generated by another LLM. What can go wrong?

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Yes, this is very very true. You are on point. People don’t understand that AI is a Artificial intelligence, artificial as in made up. It’s not intelligence. It mimics the most simple system of our brain and is the first big step into making artificial brains, first step of thousands of steps.

We will find more and more areas we can apply AI on, but it’s not like AI will become so much smarter. We already train the AIs on all data so it’s not like training bigger and bigger models is going to help that much.

But I do see in the world of cannabis, a AI that could keep all the cannabis lore that’s really hard to research pristine and searchable. Keep the data references intact even though forums goes under. It also needs moderation, so that people like AJ(Asshole Joe) doesn’t make shit up all the time :weary:

Pz :v:t2:

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We will see. Time will tell. Oh, i forgot… YOU can see in the FUTURE! Thanks for your input. AI is like the internet. Or like streaming Music, TV and Movies. It will never succeed and soon go away … :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

What i don’t understand is why a few in this thread dont understand the post or the question i asked:

A simple no, i hate it could have been enough.
Or no, i dont trust it but i also have never used it.

I also shared MY experience with AI on a breeding project i already finished (at least F1). I used it AFTER i already grew the hybrids. NOT before.

What is exactly your problem with a simple question? Why do you feel the urge to school me on a topic i worked on in my job for years? Also i love it when people just quote a sentence or two out of context and then twist it how they want it. What comes next? Want to check my spelling?

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The proof is in the pudding. Ask chatgpt a question and if it messes up, please point out where it’s wrong. Would love to see a for instance proving your point.

Just go to OpenAI’s own research paper on it from a week ago if you think AI is correct all the time. This is common knowledge for anyone paying even a little attention.

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Has anyone here said that AI is correct all the time?

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Now you know what i am thinking. Astounding… first there is a fortune teller, now a mind reader. Love it. :circus_tent:

Hey calm down, don’t take that personally, I wasn’t aiming at you. Didn’t mean any disrespect.

I was just correcting a few assertions which IMHO (and of a few experts) were inaccurate.

No, I’m not a spellchecker :smiley:

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