Nice to see you as well. I still need to send you some seeds. I had a pretty rough patch at the end of last year, and things are finally starting to turn around. But I didn’t forget about you.
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Thanks Tom. Nice name btw… I have a poly hybrid that a friend sent me years ago called Tartar Kush, and the F3 that worked of it is bang on for Herijuana in terms of plant morphology and flower shape. It’s a bell ringer too.
Yes, I have read this before. I just couldn’t remember what the name of the cultivar was. Purple Rhino. So that also begs the question as to how there are still males to be found in this line that express like true males after all of the breeding that’s been done here. Ok, so it’s not pure Bubba… But the real feat here is that a Purple Rhino S1 that expresses as a male can create other females in the line that also express as pure males?
I grew the Peyote Buttons line myself, and out of basically a handful of seeds (maybe 6 or 7), I found a single “female” that expressed as a pure male. Dropped a shit ton of pollen, which is not typical for a hermaphrodite female. The seeds I got were reproduced at least once from Huesos by Ledo 5, and he also found at least one male in his however many seeds. Same thing with the Green line x Peyote Buttons line that I received from Solar Logos, who also grew Huesos’ very old stock, did a pollination and sent seeds to me.
I’m just trying to understand how this is possible. Ok, so it’s not a pure Bubba used, but it’s just as miraculous that an S1 of Purple Rhino could have pollinated Bubba Kush in this line, and subsequently produce so many male expressing females.
Am I making sense? Also, what does these revelations mean for Orgnkid’s other lines which also seem to have this some of miraculous property like Ogers? I’ve got some of those seeds too. This line also definitely produces true males as well. But which also (if I’m understanding correctly) came from some sort of miraculous S1 male.
I’m just trying to understand
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Yeah one of these days I have to get my hands on some pre 98 Bubba cuts, I hear too many good things about it. Sounds like some good medicine
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I have all of Katsu’s first drops but I only have a 6 pack of Bubba S1’s. I haven’t grown any Bubba from another breeder so I can tell you only what my plants came out like. Smells of Chocolate and coffee.
I’m currently running his GG4xPre98 and it’s some of the best grass I’ve smoked. Cured out finally with Mango flavors. Gonna hit it with some BC Mango I’ve got.
Dracary’s
GG4xPre98
I’ve been running her for a few years now. Still gonna get back to the Pre98 S1’s for us.
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Nice work and a great learning experience. I’m hoping to make a blend between katsu pre 98 and verdant green for both genealogy availability as they both have amazing traits. I’m going to let this tent go for a minute to reduce the amount of premature seedlings. I’ll make more posts soon as the room progresses along ~ 
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Best of luck with your project. A worthy project indeed. I think that we should all be forward thinking in this way. Rather than just coveting particular cuts (which is ok), we should be trying to preserve them in seed form. Cuts are hard to maintain, and a lot of great cuts have been lost over the decades. New things become popular, people want the new thing, or acts of God happen, people pass away. But seeds are much easier to hold onto. And they have a lot of advantages over cuts as well.
There are other people preserving cuts via S1, backcrossing, etc… But I think that the more angles that we come at it from, the better. Who knows, maybe your Bubba rendition turns out to be the best. You never know. I like the idea of blending different Bubba lines together as well. Perhaps creating a super Bubba line.
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I would imagine the law of segregation has a hand here, but I’m still learning how these traits can be narrowed down.
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Verdant Green pre98 #2 (reversed)
Verdant Green pre98 #1 (reversed)
Katsu #1
Katsu #2
They are starting to finish up but i plan on a longer wait for seed development.
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Don’t follow laws as those are for true breeding plants only, no S1 or X on the market today will show those laws.
Your S1 and X will be 99% all over the place aswell so don’t dwell in the science of it, just cause.
It’s easy to breed when you simply grow a lot and pick according to your desire, no emotions.
Set up a chart defining the traits that are most important to you.
I can see you kinda mixed things up and that will set you back a little but you should bounce back and maybe have more expressions to select from, all depends on your starting plants…
If you find a good enough pheno that ticks all the boxes, you reverse it x times (S1 S2 S3) until uniformity is reached in satisfying numbers.
If you found a pheno that hold 1 trait you want, and that trait is worth it, you X to another plant, no matter mother father sister, it’s all just high talk, a plant is a plant, if your trying to remain in the Bubba family you cross only to those plants, if you wanna go hybrid you cross to anything else
All roads lead to Rome…
Meaning even after all those X and improvements, if you wish to stabilize it, you need to reverse it until uniformity again.
That’s the main reason everyone wanna hit that perfect pheno… it’s easier to “breed” it into seed form faster
The more traits (that you want) your clone have, the less numbers and generations you have to hunt.
That’s why growing 1000 plant in one run can shorten breeding time a lot.
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My Brain works kind of differently now so i have a hard time with some of the charts it gets a little confusing sometimes and i have to take a little bit to get it in my head and wrap my mind about it.A friend of mine sent me this chart to make it a little easier.I have to use different learning aides sometimes
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Bubba Kush is one of my top 3! Love it.
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Thanks for this, I tend to overthink it a bit much and just need to continue with what’s most important. Seek desired traits and repeat work for 2-3 generations.
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Hehe, that’s a cool one. Make me think of our polyhybrids! Just gonna drop this aswell…
Remember that the majority of traits in cannabis are polygenic and a punnet square can’t be used to simulate it. IRL are more complex then having a single gene responsible for one trait, to does exist ofc, but it’s not that common.
Info for those who want to learn 
Pz 
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You would also need to know what is dominant and what is recessive to correctly predict inheritance and cannabis is known for its surprises.
If somebody worked with two specific lines for many years it may be of help but to try and map out two random polyhybrid lines you recently decided to mix is almost impossible.
Recessive can become dominant when paired and then tends to stick around , people want to double up on the good traits but you get everything else in the bundle as well.
This study is only in regards to thc/cbd inheritance and you can begin to see how useless squares and Mendelian laws are when applied to cannabis…
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That’s why you keep at it, recessives can come at any point, if you get to the consistency you want in the offsprings, that’s good enough 
Dominant traits are the ones you started from and you go from there selecting the ones you want to dominate the next generation, it might not be so later on as some strains or genetics are hard to fix in place or take a lot of time to breed the bad out and select the good
Could also be a numbers game, you would need to run 1000s to get a good enough clone for the next generation
Everything is possible.
The main thing in each cross is to select better or equivalent to your prior selections
That’s how you refine/stabilize.
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I would disagree about dominant genes being the ones you started from , dominant genes are those that are inherited if present and recessive are those that are only inherited if on both alleles.
You could start with purple and quickly lose/suppress it if it was a recessive gene and bred to a line that did not carry that gene.
One must first determine what the dominate traits are and that takes time.
Recessive becomes dominant when paired and tends to result in all kinds of unexpected results.
This is why breeders value stable ibl/landrace lines , they tend to be a little more predictable in regards to what they pass on but even then f1 hybrids tend to show hybrid vigor and be overall better plants. True f1 generations not polyhybrid x polyhybrid over and over again , although that has its benefits as well , just in a much less predictable manner.
You could cross two almost identical lines and have both carry a recessive trait/gene that is not being displayed that then shows in the offspring , if that recessive trait is desirable then yay but if not back to the drawing boards.
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Dominant is your starting point, if your plant is purple, that doesn’t necessary means it’s dominant but it is in most cases, same with potency etc
You always select according to what you see/taste/feel, whatever is dominating the plant you are using.
I get your point that in later generation you can be surprised and outta whack but you have nothing else to relay on when selecting.
Also, growing the progeny won’t tell you what’s dominating a line because from the start of your breeding plan you are selecting, hence if you grown a pack and got 6 green plants and one purple, maybe green is the dominant trait in that line but you already squeezed some of it out with the first F1 or S1, not to mention later on selections
So it’s not really about knowing what is going on with a line as opposed to applying pressure in the direction you want it to go, more important.
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“So that also begs the question as to how there are still males to be found in this line that express like true males after all of the breeding that’s been done here. Ok, so it’s not pure Bubba… But the real feat here is that a Purple Rhino S1 that expresses as a male can create other females in the line that also express as pure males?”
the simplest explanation is someone is lying imo lol. orgnkid gave two answers in his podcast with archive also. “some purple rhino s1’s mixed in the bubba s1’s” then at another point he says Bubba x Purple Rhino… he claims his OGer s1’s were not pollen contam’d but peopel found male(s) in those too lol.
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I’m really seeking a bubba cut for my youngest son
He popped seeds 2 yrs ago his first time an Hermie them lol
He has perthies disease so his hip pain is tremendous
It hits multiple boxes for him
It flowers fast
Short
Doesn’t need alot of work
An helps his pain
If anyone can help
I can compensate some how
I will give up lots of beans or some scratch
If not I keep seeling my desire lol
Hit up farmer Joe no response
I hit up
All star clines no response
Have a great day everyone
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If you can’t get your hands on Bubba, maybe try the Illudium or L.A. Pure Kush cuts that seem to be around. I hope you can find it or something that works just as well for him!!
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