Kudos on the write up man, very solid down to earth advices 
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I’ll give you 3 examples man.
- f1 + cubed (bx’s) + inbreed
- f1 + bx
- f1
An example of a line that i put work into would be the 88g13nl2.
i already had the nl2 from 88. i got the 88g13nl2 clone and the goal was to make this into seed form. I didnt want to make fem seeds at that time in my life.
so i crossed it to my best nl2 male.
then i started simply cubing back to the cut.
each gen i chose a male to hit the original cut with. i selected away from any nl2 traits that i recognized.
after i completed the cube, i began inbreeding to further stabilize the seed line.
it took a long time, years and years man, but end the end, i got a seed line that is consistent as fuck, which is good if you’re cracking a pack as a consumer, especially a med patient with a limited plant count, and its good for anyone wanting to breed with the line bc its stable and predictable in what it throws, and makes strong hybrids.
Another example of a different course of action that I took is with the Uptown Girl. it was a cut i was gifted, from the rich hipster area of uptown dallas. i crossed the cut with NL1, then selected a male from the resulting f1 and backcrossed to the cut. very simple two-step method to turn a clone in a seed line.
Everything is dependent on your parent stock, not everything will yield favorable results when done this way, btw… I’ve since further refined the line by inbreeding. i sell the seeds, and yes i am still working the Uptown line, making improvements.
when dealing with a brand new female, like, i get a new cut or something, that I’ve never grown or bred with or anything. i use either 88NL1 or one of NL5 males to hit them. and then i grow f1 and see what they throw. if they by chance they happen to show good vigor and uniformity in that f1, (it means great for growing, bad for breeding bc i cant see what all is in there bc of that) i will inbreed to f2, then judge them on that gen…
i know these NL male lines very well, i know what they throw and they’re non-dominant (for the most part), making them ideal for testing out, is why.
one that I call Multi-Polar, a somewhat rare example of an f1 that was great in the tests, so i just made more and sold it as an f1. both parents were inbred lines, which gave the f1 vigor and also bc one p1 was a pure sativa and the other was an (almost) pure indica. so in that case this worked out…
i hoped this helped!
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I would buy your book!
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@deep_rob have you ever worked with landraces?
Only problem with this method is choosing a male testing them can take forever
Selfing is the easiest route if your clone is good enough on its own.
From there it’s just a numbers game, run as many as you can to find the one that is 1:1 like the mother or even better and repeat until the line stabilize to your requirements.
I personally wanted to start a seedbank biz, way back when I first started making my own seeds. Its really exciting to cross different strains and stumble onto unique plants.
As I gained more experience, I pulled away from the seedbank idea because I got a more in depth understanding of what that business is all about. I realized that what I truly want, is to create legendary IBL strains. Once I actually started BREEDING, I became aware of the long arduous process that is required to breed a stable uniform strain. Just as a point of reference, Ive been working on 1 strain for 10 years. Ive gone through hundreds of seeds, and im still at the beginning phase of the breeding project. Ive taken the strain to F4 and have an outcross F1. I have two F3 mothers, that will be used for backcrossing. I had two F3 fathers that I recently decided to cull, because I have a clear vision of what im after. Testing all the seeds, is in itself a lengthy process. I could go on, but I think this point has been made clear several times in this thread.
In regards to creating unstable hybrids, it IS super fun! To some degree its worth the effort if you find one good plant. Ive read that some growers will clone that “Unicorn” and sell the cuts. Unfortunately, those cuts are eventually used for pollen chucks, and the marketplace gets flooded with numerous variations of the “Unicorn”. Most of the important relevant information regarding poly hybrids, landraces, etc. has already been well covered. Hopefully the community has been helpful.
There are a lot of small seedbanks out there, and many of them do quite well. I think you should follow your bliss, and give it a shot. Time goes by quickly. 10 years from now, your seedbank could be well known and respected. 
Cheers
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its exactly what im saying actually
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hi fellows 
thanks for all of these replies .
for me , there is zero interest in selling seeds or even making seeds - for the purpose of producing stable stock.
I believe,however, that it is almost necessary to have a working knowledge of breeding and theory to produce the results . Also , as others have pointed out, this knowledge is especially useful when buying seeds or clones and evaluating everything that comes your way in the cannabis field of evolution. i appreciate hearing anybodys thoughts and input.
I guess what motivated me was wanting to learn something on how breeders may be thinking . theres a lot of types of breeding is what ive gathered. most breeding is just the release of high variation type of seeds. high pheno variation. Its quite ok i think if you can see it for what it is . It is almost obvious to me that its not so difficult to cross a indica to indica , or a sativa to a sativa - almost anyone can do this and get good results. The grey areas of this discussion are only arising due to all of the mutant indica/sativa crosses flooding the market and crossed to each other in every possible way. Anyhow, this is just some of my thoughts, im someone with a small ammount of practical experience who is interested in finding unicorns mostly but also possibly reproducing those unicorns in some form. at the moment im looking to get into some american genetics and check all them out and see how they react with some of the other stuff ive been growing. im sure ill understand what others have been saying more fully after a few years.
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hi . cool reply . do you have any pictures of your nl2 crosses and the various steps ? would be interesting to see for sure, ,
so more or less , your method is to simplify things as much as possible by having p1 stock which is homogenous and dominant or non dominant respectively as much as possible ? im still to go in depth down this pathway and dont have a working knowledge . seems like its basically like a game of connect 4 where you want to win as soon as possible and you hope the opponent is numb between the ears. cheers
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I breed ONLY from landraces period. I used to cross poly x poly x poly but then one day i realized why the hell do i want to use something so watered down? 
especially when i figured out that most of the famous hype strains are just a random bag seed or an accidental pollination 
for real so i choose to go to source and “selfing” is cheating its a lazy mans way that breaks down the genetic material after awile never breed with it . Its for fem releases of a finished line. And this is and unpopular subject that is probably going to piss some people but i dont care 
@jonathan77
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hi bud . actually nice to hear a different view point. ive never tried growing landrace seeds. a number of reasons that have stopped me taking that pathway 1. hermies 2. high cbd phenotypes 3. long flowering times 4 . shithole bud formation (have you ever seen good looking buds on a landrace strain advertised ? 5. good luck finding something reasonable - your options are a) 18 week sativas with airy buds or b) some weird looking bush from the afghan mountains with ugly bud and also long flowering and also terrible tastes. i hope there is exceptions to what im saying here but its not easy to find . also lets take a realistic look at the people selling these seeds- not at all trustworthy reputations on the whole .
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This is a landrace my friend not all landraces are “airy” but most are and hermies are at a much smaller rate than what they want you to believe mor like 2-5% and is usually a light or small pot issue which inturn is the growers fault . Are there straight moneatious? Yes but very few . and actually all those things you listed are the goals of a breeder to fix @jonathan77
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looks like a strong plant - but buds look like high leaf count and i can almost guarantee that the taste is terrible afghan
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Its fully seeded and not finished yet and btw it sounds like you already have a byist opinion 
and its terps are very rare its sister has orange rind terps with fresh cut onions ps its still growing and the leaf to bract ratio is a thing im working on btw
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yeah for sure , i did not even bother to mention that the buds dont look good. now i know why. theres bound to be exceptions to what im saying here. but on the whole what im saying is 100 percent accurate . im not byist really . its just that when you connect a few dots you begin to recognize a few trends at least in the genetics game
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Sure ill give you that but it is the work of a breeder its a process and worth it because my plants still have all the “magic” we have all heard from the 70s all the vigor and resistances truely healthy plants and the buzz is awesome
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show some pictures of some realistic buds when you have them . then i can see better . its a good pathway you are on . im not there yet. i have little faith in landrace seeds which are available
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Do you mean the hype and how most breed for bag appeal? Yeah i dont do that , maybe a little but its way down on my “to do list”
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no not at all what i meant . i mean the taste and flavour. even after 30 years this afghan shit is everywhere all over the place . in many forms and disguises. if even the best seed companies can not get rid of this shit then it is a wrong pathway to reinvent the wheel .
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