As for 91 chem stuff in seed luckydog seed company you can get there seeds in the EU from old school genetics on there page ain’t cheap though but like I said there’s more available than you think as for OG stuff karmas OG crosses ain’t a bad start for bubba stuff verdant green has some nice work with that too s1s and his own reg line of it as well
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I’ve gotten snips over to the UK from Missouri, USA with no problem. I don’t have any mother plants big enough right now, but I would actually like to do it more often. I’d like to see what direction European breeders take American genetics
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cool . video case type of packaging or similar ? im on the lookout for something interesting to work away at. what are you likely to have in the mother department ? cheers
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Just in an envelope. I don’t have a lot of mother’s, but I’ve grown them all and documented them here. I have Sour Diesel (not sure which cut), Mendo Breath, Kush Mints and GG4
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Ha! Cool this is where i live 
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I think we’re about as far apart as you can get and still be in the same state. I’ve seen you say that you’re in the Ozarks, I’m up in KC
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Yup im like 40 miles south of salem ruffly 
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Wow, thanks for sharing you don’t understand genetics, even from a basic standpoint lol
Sucker is born every minute. Ive ran S1s that were fine. But are usually 50%+ runts. Look up “inbreeding depression”, better yet. Read this, and maybe you’ll be educated and not trying to flex how much of a custy you really are spending that much for S2s 
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@BackyardBoogie420 i was wondering this when i purchased some IBL strains. Can you get deformities or mutations like in human from inbreeding?
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Absolutely! Thats the balance of inbreeding IME. Trying to stabilize a line without too high of a % of runts and muties. Perfect example is Snow Lotus. I got it as a BX1 directly from B. And all Ive done is OP is twice. However, the original stock was about 1/3 runts and mutants. And every filial generation since has been the same. So from a preservation standpoint, Im just trying to keep that % from getting any higher.
But when I was taught breeding in the SC mountains, it was a major thing to toss the bottom 25% always. If you deep dive into Luther Burbank and serious plant breeding, they taught more of toss everything but the top 25% of the best pheno, and run buttloads of plants to OP that small %. Of course as hobby weed growers we cant pop 1000 seeds to get a few dozen to OP, but even simple OP with 50-100 plants has done well for me.
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I had this feeling that you could get back IBL. So as long as the IBL you are getting is from a reputable breeder it shouldn’t be a problem? Or regardless of reputation or not the farther down the line you got with IBL your chance for runts increases.
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It should be solid! IBL is a term that gets people all flustered. It really depends on your definitions IME. Ive heard some people say its based on a filial generation. I’ve read scientific literature that refers to IBL at 70% consistent within the population. But some people will say it has to be like 95%+. For me in practical application, as long as its true breeding for certain traits in outcrosses, its a good IBL.
Yeah, chances increase. But it also depends on how you are line working that line. Using a single male/female is going to up the possibility vs using several males and females of the same pheno. IME that’s been the trick to line breeding without upping the mutie % too much. Even skunkman sam has said this is the best way for line breeding in various interviews. That’s the real fun of genetics as a science. It’s all general guidelines. But the only way to really know for sure is run the line and check em out. And make sure to keep good notes lol
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Well I have three different strains from agseeds which are all IBL. The sweet skunk, skunk #1 and then purple pheno x northern lights #1.
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Their genetics are killer!
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I wish more people knew about it.
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Inbreeding depression is not going to be a factor in nearly all the genetics on the market. Looked at from a scientific standpoint, it appears to be quite difficult to achieve in cannabis until you’re many generations in. If people are seeing issues in anything under 10 gens in it’s selection and undesirable recessive traits surfacing, which is different from inbreeding depression as I understand it.
In short, it’s nearly impossible to see issue from “inbreeding” in an S1, S2, F4, F5, whatever. Almost none of these IBL are truly inbred and it’s often just a loosely and often misapplied descriptor.
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Right 
but i have found theres what it says on paper and then theres what actually happens in reality
No not as difficult as you are led to believe what it really comes down too is low numbers and poor selection compounded by several generations of this behavior done by multiple different people then crossing these bad decisions together over and over again “bottle necking” them together greatly narrowing gene pools filled with broken and or missing sections of dna but because its fast and looks good in a bag on a shelf then “it must be great!” Whatever ps theres a right way and a wrong way to do everything
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Missing sections of DNA?
Also, you could probably go 10 gens down the line using only one male and one female abd the smallest of populations, and you still will be very unlikely to achieve inbreeding depression. It’s one of those things that people like to talk about and claim, but I haven’t seen any examples of it…
So how is it even worth any of the breath we’ve already given it?
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what is inbreeding depression if its not the manifestation of recessives ?
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Have you ever grew a land race? If not then you have nothing to gauge it on my friend. Because, I have noticed a thing. Examples, bug and disease suseptiblability , really slow growth, excessive amount of herms ect ps and what it really boils down to is “Ethics” and being good stewards of the plant
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