Right, see now i got ya thinking, so i forage wild herbs and mushrooms and stuff so i go out in the woods and to the creek all the time well i was do at the creek one day looking for elderberry and yellow dock and i stopped and rolled a J . I got to noticing that the elderberry was growing out of the berms so i got my garden fork and went to busting up the berm and it fkn hit me right across the forehead like duh! The riverwash! I call it creek magic, its amazingly fantastical! And it pills up every rainy season and all the locals will thank you for keeping the creek clean 
its got a percentage of sand from the worms working it high in humates and fulvics high microbial population plus they are native . Just gotta apply it as soon as you get it home
We are on this journey together bro , where do you live? Im in the ozarks its in abundance all around me
Just joking to accentuate how great your setup is.
Northeast. I have access to nature but no land of my own.
The ozarks are supposed to be amazing. To be real- Happy you are doing well.
Iâm currently looking at Topdawgseeds Starfucker (Chem 91 x Sensi Star) have you smoked it yet bra and would you classify it as a heavy indica nighttime strain aka a hammer? Puck definitely is 
This has many answers. My thoughts are all about improvement. How can i take strain A that i like and improve upon it. I can improve taste, strength, frame, vigor and a number of different things. Most companies dont hunt their crosses to continue to improve upon them. They just cross strain A to strains B,C,D,E,F etc and release. The real breeders continue to line work and narrow down the traits that they wanted to improve on strain A with each cross if viable. Not every cross will work, even though we wish they did. Itâs very easy to chuck pollen but to actually breed, you have to have patience, time and a goal of what youâre trying to accomplish. This is all my honest opinion of course.
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maybe just a little bit more 
I guess itâs depends if they are doing any line breeding on the parents of the F1âs, and if they are not, then itâs arguable if they are really even F1âs. Taking two completely unstable poly hybrids and crossing them doesnât make an F1 in the strictest sense. They ought be at least line bred to a predictable point, else itâs just another poly hybrid and a someone growing the result is going to end up with a wild bunch of all sorts of genetic recombination.
Also maybe worth mentioning that an F1 need not only be two parents, there is the possibility of three way and even four way F1âs, though the uniformity of these will be lower as more strains are added to the equation. Finding 3 or 4 inbred lines for this is the big challenge. Recurrent selection is the main accessible approach used if someone is interested in âbreedingâ. Though it takes 12 or so generations to develop an IBL, and even then only with some serious skill and a whole lot of luck will it results in an IBL of any merit. I donât think I know anyone that does this as a regular approach, it takes too long, costs too much and doesnât even guarantee a good result.
Another consideration is that a quality plant wonât necessarily pass on those traits of interest to the offspring, a plantâs combining ability can be as variable as any other trait, and it takes progeny testing on a known variety to establish this. Weed breeding is not really done the same way as commercial crop varieties for the most part, we simply donât have the resources or space to do this, for example the standard process of âbulkingâ used by crop breeders may involve tens of thousands of plants. That said, imho there are a variety of adaptable methods we can look at, though the inherent outcrossing of cannabis requires some adjustments. Single seed origin Is one, synthetic varieties are another, and of course pedigree breeding, and of course the most common method, throw it together and see what happens lol. if you do some research on these, youâll see that none of them are directly applicable without some modifications. For the most part, given the constraints we have in space and time; the most common approach is line breeding with recurrent selection using limited plants⌠so inbreeding with a high level of selection pressure basically, and mostly inbreeding to minor level rather than to an IBL. The issue with making an IBL, is that you really need a significant number of plants to be able to select the ones that have the combination of traits of interest, so that the IBL represents what you are looking for. Simply bottlenecking the genes using small numbers is unlikely to end up with a variety envisioned at the start of the process. Itâs more good luck than it is good management. I would say that if you manage to take things to F5 or F6 then youâll be doing a lot more work than the majority of breeders, but itâs a whole lot of work and even people like Bohdi talk about being cash strapped, so donât be doing it to get rich lol. Just my 2c.
Bodhi seems to put out new strains as fast as the others IMO. I donât know why he gets cut so much slack. On the other side of things, if I were to want to get into breeding I would need to start small and couldnât afford to take things to F5 or I would be out of business. Otherwise you would need a nice capital injection for space and lighting.
Nothing wrong with popping out F1s if you are clear thatâs what youâre doing.
I agree. I would imagine a lot of breeders are continuously working their lines as they sell them.
They have little choice.
Yes. Its on my short list. Iâm trying to figure out how to get my hands on some this summer. I keep telling myself I donât need more indica but thatâs only because I am wanting to play with more sativa. 
Any sativa in particular?
F1/f2 are extremely exciting because of the pheno potentialđ
Iâve seen some really weird F2 stuff. Like totally different plants.
I am looking at the early import era classics. Iâm mostly doing research at this point. The Hawaiian 5. I have the Kona gold. Cherry bomb, kuai electric, moloki frost.
South America has some fun sounding Sativaâs as well.
Iâve enjoyed Central American stuff too so keep an eye open for that maybe. Iâve got a few Panama crosses, mostly hybrids, but theyâre there.
One thing that does irritate me though that I would change, is it seems todayâs breeders move fast to get from selling the seeds of the strain that got them to where they are, to selling crosses of it with everything but the kitchen sink, and make the original genetics no longer available. Probably why I gravitate to the classics and landraces.
The best cleanest seed is here on OG