The most important thing to do here is to have a lot of clones. While your seeds may be advertising to have a certain range of CBD percentage, it is very common to have a THC dominant result. Take it from someone that can only consume CBD dominant cannabis… it happens far more often than I’d like, and yes, I did lab test a couple. So having a mother plant, and perhaps even a father plant to take clones from for subsequent rounds of crossing, is very important with such a limited number of seeds.
Because of the different phenotypes potentially having high THC, you’ll also want to lab test your selected phenos, to make sure your line isn’t ruined when you select for homogeneity of the 1:1 trait. This could get expensive.
I just woke up and just read autoflower, so that throws a wrench in what I said. You might want to keep a photo and breed for the auto trait, introducing another point of complexity. I’m out of ideas now.
Ok I’ve thought about it a lot more and with the PK Auto’s
if they are f2, that is where everything gets recombined there should be one CBD heavy leaner on the ratio of 1 in 4 bell curve. As apparently from further reading, CBD is co-dominant to THC, please correct me if I’m wrong as still trying to get my head around it
So if I was to use STS one plant at a time, the S1’s of one batch should be CBD dominant is that correct?
Then test a few of each batch to see what doesn’t give me red eyes I guess then I’d known by effect
If right then I could use reg auto pollen of a thc leaner auto of a different or similar strain to have f1 at roughly 1:1 but would still never be stable. And be all over the shop again
I’ve also read other posts that just suggested about mixed herb in a grinder to get the ratio I’m after, seams simpler than what I envisioned and all the extra steps.
I’ve thought about making “regular” seeds of Mephisto’s Canna Cheese 1:1 in the past. My plan of attack was to find an autoflower male in Sensi Seed’s Ruderalis Indica. Then cross that to the Canna Cheese 1:1 FEM seeds.
From there I was gonna do what @rasterman did with his Double Grape regs and backcross the offspring to the Canna Cheese 1:1 FEMs 3 or 4 times
Short Stuff Seed’s Dr. Feelgood could also be an option if you’re looking for a high CBD reg autoflower strain
Thanks @ madbarry, The rasterman grow log is an awesome read, thankyou for the suggestion, looks like the easiest way to keep track of things and simple to do for comparisons between original and F gens and his explanation on expected percentages of original genes was really informative. Much appreciated
Is it easy to import from sensi or anyone else to here? As I’ve only received one order from outside Australia before now
I’m searching for CBD strains too @Enigma but I need 20%+CBD and 0.5%-THC for oil and gummies as my friend doesnt partake. The only place I’ve found is weedseedsexpress.com for photo and auto CBD strains and they ship to Aus and NZ, I’ve used them in the past with great success.
In breeding for type 3 seed, out of the F1s that were tested there was not a single actual 1:1 that popped up and the great majority seemed to lean towards THCa dominance.
I don’t doubt a 1:1 would pop up eventually somewhere should we have been looking for it; but I don’t feel that stabilizing 1:1 in seed form is really practical.
I wouldn’t doubt you could, however, work a mixed ratio line with higher occurrence of “1:1” (or balanced mixed ratio) phenotypes.
If you can’t send to a lab, then you can use your senses as you suggested… and I could be wrong; but I’ve come to the conclusion that CBDa heavy resin is more greasy and generally not so sticky unless THCa laden*.
If someone else has experience working with type 3 varieties, I would invite their take, especially should it contrast my own.
Either way, I would absolutely do multiple STS increases (R1) using both lines first if you have that tool at your disposal.
You can also clone autos, despite the common misconception.
If it’s ok with you, I’d like to stop by from time to time to see what you get into with this one.
Hey guys would u excuse me to enter pls
Reading your project here I would ask what motivates u to use auto on the project, Im just curious on ur interests. I grow a few of them
Me too, I thought that u could mesure the cbd/thc smoking/taking it yourself, as an alternative for lab test.
Ur in AUS…is it already legal to grow in whole contry. Or it still sucks just like here in Brazil?
A quick question, if u let me ask u @ciganomarola would be about the idea u gave of cloning autos, how would it help on the project? Would it be a transition from auto to res?
That’s awesome , I didn’t know about the greasy CBDa vs sticky thca
I do have STS sitting in the fridge unopened
A little update:
I brought some 30:1 auto FEMS, just arrived few days ago
So have been brain storming and I’m planning to use pollen from a reg Auto male to one or two 30:1’s to get F1 Type 2 regs, from there make a few separate lines. As in use a F1 Auto male from the above cross to the Type 2 1:1 PK line, thanks @Mad_Barry suggesting re @rastermans grow log and breed back to the PK for a few gens
Separately I think I will reverse a 30:1 and put it over a PK ~1:1’s, they should be a combination of Type 2 and 3 fems(not a bad thing to play with, and back up seed)
I should also get some R1/s1 seeds from the 30:1 plant aswell
Then once these couple of grows are done, i will be STSing the remaining original PK Auto’s for the back crosses
Yeah sure thing,
@Coghunter
Feel free, ask me whatever you like mate,
Yeah it still sucks here in Aus, only in the ACT is it like 4 plants but still not legal ( but that’s where our politicians live)
My interest for them being auto is smaller plants, less chance being seen outdoors ect, not photo dependent, so not alot of work all at once and spread throughout the season,for a bit of medicine and get a few generations of breedings done in a season if I work it out right
I’m going to try hempy buckets for these few grows as only just found out about them.
Not sure what you mean by “transition to res”; but it could be useful for backcrossing to a recurrent parent (should @Enigma find something worth doing so with) to help fixate desireable traits.
Cloning an autoflower will not cause it to behave as a photoperiod plant, and each cultivar will behave somewhat different depending on genetics; but they can be kept pretty much indefinitely in a prolonged growth phase when doing so using aeroponics/ hydroponics systems to my understanding.
I have skimmed through a few other post and got the impression @Acro may just have a little more hands-on experience with this and I would invite anyone exploring the possibility of using a day-neutral specimen (autoflowering plant) as a recurrent parent to explore his (and other) posts regarding cloning autoflowers and maybe engage them for some additional pointers.
I am sure that if you approach with love and dedication, your journey will be one of much growth and learning. I was actually speaking with a few people today that blatantly disagree with the previous assertion I made regarding the adhesive properties of THC and some even hinted towards this being more of a trait associated to actual glad structure as opposed to chemovar.
Maybe if lab testing is not viable, you might want to use something like the AlphaCat test kits just to help profile your selections.
Thanks for the mention @ciganomarola I think the most overlooked aspect is the ability to be pollinating clones from the mom 2-3 months after cloning happens. This means you can be smoke and evaluate mom while deciding which clones to pollinate and get progeny from.
Don’t mention it, OG, and thank you for jumping in with a really great tip.
I cannot speak to the Magic Bullet; but I can say that using a full term cultivar in the program may actually be interesting and is common practice in the development of modern dayneutral varieties; but with the state of the “Auto” genepool I feel it is really optional at this point and so long as you do work segregating lines and open up the initial germplasm you are working with you are bound to find you will stumble upon quite a bit of variation from which to select.
Thankyou everyone for your input it’s been very helpful and much appreciated
@Acro. I’d love to try an clone a couple of autos for breeding, I’ve read through your grow log a few times and that was an awesome read.
What I’m trying to understand, do you think it’s possible to STS a clone for viable FEM pollen in time to pollenate another clone and could they possibly self for only a few seeds at the same time?
when your using a male to female auto breeding, is it the pre flowers that’s your pollinating to get F1 seeds in time for you BX to the clones?
You can go about it various ways, but I prefer to reverse a branch of the main plant using STS if I know I’m happy with the girl. Clones can be reversed as well, and I’ve even taken the cut on them and gotten pollen after boy flowers have formed.
However, with a boy on the mix you can pollinate pre flower like you said. Or you can take several clones and pollinate the man plant. Grow those as soon as they’re fully formed and then use a boy from the progeny to pollinate the clones from mom. The pre flower thing can work as well, but can to do wacky things to some autos.
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