Hey OG! I hope your days treated you well out there. I’m consistently amazed and impressed by all the plants growing in this community! I feel really grateful to be a part of it all.
It’s been frustrating this holiday season as I’ve been flat broke and work has been a bit of a shit show — but hopefully with some things in the works over the next few months that’ll look in a better direction. Some investments were made and some friends were helped out that needed it. I have my health, I have my plants, I have a lot of good doggos, and a good girlfriend (in no particular order there!) — and I’m happily stoned. Life is good and I shouldn’t complain too much.
Let’s get to the garden!!
First, the flowering tent — let’s get a group photo:
Note the colors? I’m trying to figure out if this is just normal fade or if I need to up nitrogen and/or phosphorus??
The little plant that could in the back is getting there. I’ll take her out tomorrow and get some still and higher quality scope pictures of the trichomes. For now, here are these, sorry in advance for the trichome shots — hard to tell wtf I’m looking at. Still not quite there though judging by some hiding yellow hairs and the orange hairs sticking all the way out. Hoping for some plumpage. Pics:
The rest of the flowering Grandaddy Purple and Kyle’s Sweet Island plants are coming along. I feel like the sweet islands will probably finish after the GDP. We shall see how the drying goes as I would like to use the tent but might have to stagger some and fridge bag dry a few branches or something if they don’t finish at once? Hmm. Pics:
The Frankie tent got some plants moved out and all that needed up potting got it done. The overwatered plant is still having a rough ride. My bad plant — hopefully your new home and tent space will help. Frankie’s tent had the lights raised higher and running now higher for a PPFD of 300 at the canopy top.
The worms are a-wormin’. Night crawlers come tomorrow! Trying to sex the photos soon. Once the flower tent is done and dried and cleaned everything but Frankie from her tent goes in there to finish and I figure out what’s next :).
Need to figure out my clone and rooting situation. I feel like the rockwool cubes are taking ages. Anywho — that’s all I got!
Goodnight OG
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I got $0.02 on normal senescence 
Though any mild deficiency at this stage is (to me) akin to what people who flush are going for, using up what they got left at the end, so might be a win win? 
And btw, might i relay for the somethingth time, holy smokes man!
those buds look like what they show on seed co websites- the big mac on the drivethru poster kind of bud porn that you’d see from Seasoned pros, except you’re really gonna get to eat that bigmac 
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Sincerely, so impressive.
Hi5 my dude 
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Thank you!! Can’t wait to try them!
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Looking great in there bro…
I have just 1 question… why not go to 400 and above ppfd?
That looks like a beginning fade to me… leaves are all lifted yet getting lighter green almost yellow… (do not add N ) we arent growing to smoke the leaves… let those leaves fade… feed those flowers… forget the leaves 
(the buds look good already… stack the hell out of them) 
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What have I done? 
I really am trying and it feels like I made some obvious and embarrassing error from all those emojis! If I’m guessing — too low intensity? I know I’m a little trigger shy on turning up the dial but I am trying to figure out what’s best (and am learning!).
I just used the PPFD as a general guide and to see where I’m at after I raised the lights in the vegging tent. I wanted it to be hotter in there which was part of my reasoning to raise the lights higher and increase the intensity. (Which worked!)
Otherwise, I am trying to listen to the plants and watch their leaves to see if they want more or less light.
The veg tent light intensity will be going up but first I wanted to let things settle into the new height/power for a few days and see how they do.
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Vegging plants need 400-600 with 600 being the best place to land if possible.
Yes, read the plants! But you need to make sure they’re getting all the important ingredients to grow before you can really read anything…
They need light! And a lot of it.
You’re getting there but I think you’re trying to do too much and, IMHO, is holding you back. Get the basics down!
You need to walk before running.
Or don’t, it’s not my business honestly.
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Your advice is sound Captain. —and taken. Thank you.
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I watch the leaves… if they angle up = need more light
If they are flat and even = perfect light
If they point down = too much light!!
Also tacoing upwards is another sign of too much… give em some energy i see none of these… except pointing upwards… (can handle more light)
But absolutely for sure you can go to 400 ppfd… and as bruce bugbee mentioned… anything under 400 ppfd is slower growth… anything 400 and above very fast growth… @Coffweed
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…Just read your entire thread so far @Coffweed, and I’m mightily impressed with your ambition and, more importantly, your results. You’ve got a green thumb that’ll soon be paying off in spades - when you harvest those beauties!
Everybody else who has been chiming in here has offered lots of great suggestions along the way, which makes this a great thread for everyone to learn from.
Just one question: Aren’t @JohnnyPotseed Frankensteins photo/regular? I’m ~pretty sure~ that’s the case. With only one of them growing (and going gangbusters), you’ve got to be hoping it turns out to be a female.
I’ve pulled up a seat and will be following along. Thanks for sharing your growing adventures with us.
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Nope, any Frankie beans are all from reversed fem pollination… so all fem seeds.
lol There haven’t been any regular Frankenstein seeds since the breeding program back in 1998-2001
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I went to 650 in flowering… and fried the hell out of mine… im curious now as to why… i assumed too much light because of plant signs… 600 seems quite a bit…
I think its fair to include which par meter was used… mine is trolmasters par sensor… the thing costed 400 bucks… so i assume… and i damn well better be right lol… that it’s close to accurate… (seems to read about 50 ppfd lower than it should maybe)
Id say the apogee par sensors are best…
Which do you use? Because there was zero way i could go to 600 ppfd… if its not a difference in our par meters… then what the hell am i doing wrong?
Sorry for sort of derailing into my own grow… but this has my interest entirely piqued @CaptainRon … btw my names Ron 
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Terps, I’ll let Ron chime in — but the science mind in me feels like there are more variables than just PPFD — even if it was perfectly accurate. The same PPFD can be achieved at different heights with different intensities which would certainly change the temperature at the leaf. In any case — learning here as well!
@MrGreenJeans thank you for the kind words! I’m excited to see how Frankie does when she’s got the whole tent to herself and is in her EarthBox.
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How’s it going Coffweed hope ur having a wonderful day
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I’ll just note that I’m typically blasting my plants with 1100-1300 ppfd by the 3rd week of flower with no issues ever witnessed.
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Yeah, I try to stay just under 1000, I would agree with this, you are definitely not supplying too much light intensity.
My usual is 300 for babies and then up to 600 for a fast veg (300 slow veg) - then give em up to 1000 on day 1 flower. I read that somewhere and have stuck with it. I measure mine all the time, it’s a bit of an obsession.
Garden looks so good!!
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Man how are you guys going that high?? I cant get above 600 … i hermied mine going to 650… i know it wasnt temps (between 75 and 79 under led) i know some plants are different with ppfd needs and tolerance… but 1000 … holy crap! How?? @methodanon @BasementGardens
If i can go higher id sure like to know how to do it… my light only gets to around 700 ppfd at 24 inches away
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This is what I am running right now in flower, this is typical for me, lights are only about a foot off the top of the canopy.
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Yeah guys I don’t really have a solid answer… Could be genetics, could be overall plant health, could be a difference in diodes or something, I really have no idea… I just know it never seems to bother my plants.
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