I did not read what Vic said way back then but I am sure hyb gave him shit about it lol. You can “create” a true breeding line in one generation. Self them, observe their progeny. Some plants are true breeding and most are not.
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Sam seem to think that some yy males get to live… ?
"And 25% YY male if they can survive, because YY often do not.
-SamS"
And that reserved males are often sterile or have trouble making seeds…
I guess that’s when you whip out the electroculture gear and zap some super fertility into them 
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Me neither, I was probably in 3rd grade when he posted that 
Hahaha yeah most definitely.
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I reckon he is just repeating theoretical hypothesis of his peers. Not actual experiments. I doubt they can even differentiate XY from YY.
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They for sure never showed it to us 
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Fact is, other scenarios readily explain all that stuff.
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YY seeds are not formed when reversing males. X is needed for life to appear.
@Cactus Thank you very much for the kind words 
Pz 
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Oh you noticed that too,
Lol? Short of double haploid breeding I can’t imagine how they even arrived at this hypothetical. Not shown. Same like 50,000 plants here 50,000 plants there… Never shown. I don’t swim in that shit man.
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so much good info .
Very glad you joined the discussion… I’ll just be over here in the corner nodding and taking notes
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Explain this more to me @Mithridate going so fast with all this I forgot to actually read what you had to say. I think this is a diamond that I would very much like you to explain my Kindred friend.
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So within a given line say the trait you are looking for is Aa Bb Cc, once you set aside the ones to like you’d want one plant with AA BB CC and the other with aa bb cc so the progeny will all be Aa Bb Cc…
In the grand scheme of things some 1:1 matings will be much better than others. It’s not the fastest way, but it could help maintain some health.
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I nave bred A few different things and the one fact that holds true is like begats like.
The more you do that the higher the frequency.
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Wouldn’t selfing split a Aa Bb Cc female into the same components within one generation? Once you have a semi homogeneous female offspring you can introduce a male into the mix and start the purifying process with an head start or am I thinking of this backwards?
Pz
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While it may be true for simple inherited traits like color, autoflower and cannabinoid ratios, the non mandalian genetics sometimes need a little boost.
Example:
Like beget like, AaBbCc x AaBbCc
For 12.5% of desired geno
A little boost, AABBCC x aabbcc
For a 100% desired geno
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Well maybe.
I mostly see selfing as a mapping tool. So, I grow 100 seeds, keep 10, self them and bulk the homozygous parent plants not the s1s
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Selfing and autos you say…the two things that made me quit trading years ago.
Hard to take all this theory seriously sometimes.
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Yeh… I mentioned autos as an example of simple inherited trait 
I don’t do them either… and selfing is but one more tool in the tool box…
If I was to list what I wouldn’t grow I’d be here all week lol
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@arb Theory?.. 
Yes, if the plants are heterogeneous S1 will split up its genetics and you can start to map it like you do. I love the fact that you go beyond S1 to stablize the traits to later recombine into a heterogeneous generation. For me it seems like a waste of potential to go back to have the dominant and Recessive genes in the same individual. Why not get only the genes you want doubled and it will stay true breeding?
Pz
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Well it goes back to the simple fact that you need to grow enough seeds and find the keeper. Self the keeper and look at which one produces the best types and highest number. Simple done! I think a person can use this technique with any variety, Deep Chunk, THHZ, OHZ, you name it. I just think the testing part will be the toughest for I have smoked so much of the mediocre stuff that I am not sure I would be able to tell the difference from a good one and a great one. Sorry for being so bitchy. Good conversation guys keep it coming learning a lot.
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If it was fact there would actually be these consistent “consistent strains”…but there is not.
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