The F4 packs I have just say super skunk. Did you rename it to Massachusetts super skunk ? Someone was just talking about this very thing on bean basement.
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Ehhhh, it was a seed line first. Sure, SkunkVA (& the Chem crew) grew it via clone; which kinda makes that “clone-only”. But it was one of Neville‘s highest selling seed lines. There’s plenty of non-famous guys that bought packs and reproduced seeds.
I am skeptical like you, but it is possible to be legit.
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I’m just saying the name alone seems misleading. There isn’t a seed line called Mass super skunk. It never was.
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Yeah, you guys are absolutely right. I’m an idiot. It is purely coincidence that these Super Skunk F5s are coming out of Massachusetts.
What you mean to say is Massachusetts Super Skunk isn’t a stabilized seed line, and it would be impossible for a stabilized seed line to be created if there were no more Super Skunk seeds in the world.
As the world stands today, the clone could be incrossed to another Super Skunk and the progeny selected towards the mom, and in just a few years flat the Massachusetts Super Skunk could be a true-breeding regular photoperiod seed line.
Does anyone know who did the original selection that was dubbed the Massachusetts Super Skunk?
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I gotta guy! let me see if he wants to tell everybody the story.
He said No.
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Lol. I’ll pay them for their time.
No joke
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You know I’m just kiddin, I wish there was a way to follow it all…
Need Potchain…
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Just for the record, I even referred to them as Mass Super Skunk when speaking to Farmer Joe, on December 1st, almost two weeks before starting this thread, and he did not correct me.
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No, I meant exactly what I said LOL. MSS is a phenotype, it can’t be a seed line because it was never called that to begin with. MSS is a made up name by someone , it was never named that by Neville. I don’t have a dog in this fight it’s just one man’s opinion.
You can take a clone only strain and make a stable seed line from it…many have done just that…BOG for one…a bunch of folks too many to list!
Back crossing can get you there in 4 to 5 generations…especially if your selection process is solid!
Especially if MSS came from the original Super Skunk seed line…get the clone only MSS and use the SK line and start the BX to stabilize the female traits in the gene pool…If it’s all SK seed line then it’s still SK seed line just worked a certain direction.
A name is just a name…the genetics are the important part of the equation. 
Brian(Alaskagrown)
P.S. wish I wouldn’t have slept on those SK F5’s…I guess I’ll have to get Farmer Joe’s!
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All of that is true , but it still wouldn’t be Mass super skunk. It’s just super skunk.
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First and foremost to me is there are few absolutes. In the question for me is another question, if in 1979 I was standing next to 16 ft tall 24" fan leaf, 1/4 lb buds as big as my arms (Find Swampwolf Photos somebody Please) of Stinky azz fat leaf skunk, and we crossed it with everything for forty years, including more skunks, how can you prove we didn’t make your requested strain? Did you know that hundreds of strains originated here?
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I can’t really speak on what you said but in regards to super skunk , I’m certain that Neville bred super skunk and sensi sold super skunk. Also certain it was never names Mass super skunk.
That came later and was a phenotype of super skunk selected by someone.
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and phenotypes can be selected and created into seed lines so, 🤷
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I don’t think he’s being particularly negative; he’s discussing genetics and nomenclature on seed lines. Seems like a conversation that would be perfectly normal for most of us…
As far as Super Skunk and Mass Super Skunk, I don’t know enough about this particular strain to know whether it’s a phenotype or not. If so, it’s a legitimate question; can backcrossing to a particular phenotype of an IBL increase the tendencies of that phenotype to express? Otherwise, they would just be Super Skunk seeds.
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Who am I calling a liar ? Mass super skunk is a name that a clone was given from someone who selected it and it’s not even 100% confirmed to be super skunk. I’m just saying that there is no way there is a line called Mass super skunk , not these seeds anyway , because I have them and asked about the backstory. There super skunk seeds. None of that is incorrect.
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I appreciate provenance of lines and all I did was make a comment about it. Still not sure why anyone is mad ?
Mass super skunk is a clone ? Super skunk is the seed line being mentioned here as MSS. Ask the man who made the f4 what they are. I have a pack and I asked. He didn’t use Mass super skunk to make it so what I am saying is not false
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Referencing, again, the skunkVA potcast, i’m pretty sure Mass superskunk is just a rename of superskunk… After it landed in Massachusetts.
I don’t think mass superskunk is its own separate thing, other than obviously being filial bred. Like all the OGs, I just think it’s a rename.
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I also asked farmer joe about these seeds. The mix up was in the name. I bought these because I read somewhere that rks might have came from super skunk. I’ll still keep them and grow them regardless if they are mss or ss.
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Looking closely at the conversation @Worcestershire_Farms cut & pasted from Farmer Joe, it seems like Farmer Joe was selling cuts of the Mass Super Skunk, which fits perfectly with it being a phenotype. There was no discussion of seeds. Where did the male come from for this lot of F5s? That being said, it’s not my business since I didn’t buy them… even so, 50 Super Skunk seeds for this price was a bargain basement price compared to the seedbanks. 
I’m curious about this subject myself, in general rather than about this particular pheno/strain. IIRC @MoBilly is trying to isolate a particular phenotype of GDP with seeds via selfing right now and none of us are certain how it’s going to work. Worst case, he’ll end up with feminized GDP seeds, of course. Still curious. Even if Super Skunk/GDP/XYZ other strain is an IBL, it’s not like it’s really inbred to the point of being completely homozygous usually; that can take 150+ generations in mice. No cannabis strains are that inbred, are they?
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