I know people that wagered their entire life’s work into going legal and lost their asses when the laws ruined it for them.
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You can’t just ChatGPT these kinds of things. It’s not real AI, people are just marketing hype that stuff.
It’s still “dumb tech” as it stands and far from what we consider true AI through science fiction and stuff.
Go ask ChatGPT if Cannabis is legal or has been legalized in Germany. A friend of mine did that recently.
ChatGPT will say “no” and source all kinds of stuff like old laws etc.
My explanation was that the “AI” aspect of ChatGPT as it stands is more or less that it checks queries against more or less every source available online.
Since legalisation just happened last April in Germany, there is a miniscule amount of sources stating Cannabis is legal and an overwhelming amount of sources stating it’s the same as black tar heroin and thus illegal.
He then asked ChatGPT what happened on April X 2024 with regards to Cannabis and only THEN does it say “oh yeah, it has been legalised BUT” and then starts mentioning sources about stuff going on in Bavaria and such where they are hindering legalisation being implemented etc. etc.
ChatGPT is NOT true AI as we think of it from Sci Fi and the like.
At the current stage (and it might never get beyond that) it is basically a “smart Encyclopedia” nothing more. And when you try to use it for more than that, you get into “questionable”/“dicey” territory with what infos it gives you.
I would have to go into the law and extract the applicable passage and I don’t have the time for that right now. Admittedly also because I don’t question the fact that it’s 3 plants per club member same as 3 plants per homegrower.
Maybe I can site the German Chucker Crew thread as a source for you. Nobody there is questioning the state of affairs being what I mentioned either.
If I carve out enough time I will find you the passage from the law but if you dig into it, you will find it as well.
The “FAQ” on the website of German health ministry answers the question “How much Cannabis can a “Anbauvereinigung” (=communal grow=Cannabis Club) grow and how much can it harvest?” as follows:
Die Erlaubnis für die Anbauvereinigungen ist auf festgelegte jährliche Eigenanbau- und Weitergabemengen beschränkt. Diese ergeben sich daraus, wie viel Cannabis für die Deckung des Eigenbedarfs der Mitglieder der Anbauvereinigung für den Eigenkonsum erforderlich ist. Sollte eine Anbauvereinigung mehr als die in der Erlaubnis beinhalteten Eigenanbau- oder Weitergabemengen anbauen oder ernten, so hat die Anbauvereinigung das darüberhinausgehende Cannabis zu vernichten. Bei wiederholten Verstößen gegen die festgelegten Eigenanbau- und Weitergabemengen kann die Erlaubnis widerrufen werden.
Sollte sich der Bedarf ihrer Mitglieder für den Eigenkonsum verändern (zum Beispiel weil Mitglieder austreten oder neu eintreten), so ist die Erlaubnis bzgl. der Eigenanbau- und Weitergabemengen anzupassen, wenn die Anbauvereinigung die Veränderung glaubhaft machen kann.
Basically it’s another “grey” formulation. It says it depends on the “demand” of the members, which again is capped at 50g a month for grownups and 30g a month for 18-21 year olds.
Everything beyond that demand, has to be destroyed.
So at least in the FAQ, the plant limit is not mentioned but at least back then in the final draft that got put into law, it was still clearly noted as 3 plants per member, same as if they would grow themselves.
In the meantime, through the German Hanfverband, I have also found out that the topic of seedlings and clones has been considered in the meantime and while it remains a grey zone as well and the law has NOT et been changed accordingly, most legal experts expect that if a court had to rule, it would consider seedlings and clones, even when rooted, NOT as “plants” in the sense of the law. Instead it would consider only flowering plants as full plants.
It would be likely that anything without visible flowers developed (i.e. even veging plants) would not be counting against the plant limit.
That of course would change things massively but that is NOT set in stone and legally safe. It’s just the most likely interpretation of the law by most legal counsils that were consulted.
But I gotta admit, the way I read things now, it could be that a club simply doesn’t consider anything but flowering plants for the plant limit and operates that way (which I would consider risky as it isn’t legally safe) and only take the 50g per month per member of final product as a limitation (again, not legally safe).
In the end it likely would depend on where in Germany you are and your particular case worker.
You can bet your ass that in Bavaria they would hold you to a plant limit of 3 per member and try to count seedlings and rooted clones against the plant limit as well.
In more liberal states that might be totally different.
It’s all a grey zone as it stands which gives hope but also means it remains to be seen how things shake out when the first Cannabis Clubs are taken to court and how things are ruled there.
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What @Coopdog says is exactly the thing.
As things stand with the law, there are a lot of grey areas and if you want to go legal and do a cannabis club, that would be a career decision and putting everything on black so to speak.
To do that there needs to be a clear and ironclad legal framework. Which doesn’t exist at the moment, it’s a bunch of grey areas.
And those grey areas mean that you are at the mercy of your case worker and finally judge whenever you get dragged to court. Whether or not you do actually get dragged to court of course depends.
It could all go well but as it stands I would say it is way too risky and could massively backfire.
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OMG! YOUR SOOOO RIGHT! Very well said, I have been trying to figure that out for a long time! The industry has flooded the markets with hydro chemically grown garbage Walmart weed and tanked the price…Rock on? 
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If you are in the same boat as me here in EU, you keep running into walls where it is absolutely made clear to you that cake of market share has already been divided among the upper echelon and that the laws are NOT designed to allow small time individuals like us to get a foot in the door and carve out some crumbs or even a slice of the cake for ourselves.
We are NOT desired.
Big Pharma and the suits from Aphria/Canopy et al are the ones who are supposed to make the money and we are not welcome to play.
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I just typed something like “three plants cannabis club” into Google and there were two FAQs and several multi-page explanations of the law. I went through all of these pages with the search filter and the number 3. The number 3 is always only mentioned for home cultivation. I’ve tried for another quarter of an hour and can’t find any of your information. Sorry for arguing like this, I’ll stop now. I won’t comment any further. Peace Fellow German
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yeah its a bit off topic anyway (although that stuff does impact the highs is what remains the point xD).
Ima read up on it again and get sth conclusive.
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He looks like he is related to to a holstein lmaop! Gorgeous!
Man i love this thread!
The side effects of AI have been widely documented. The human mind performs something called “cognitive offloading” where suddenly you start relying on unreliable silicon, instead of using your brain.
I recommend the following tools that are not “ai” based:
science, rational thinking, critical thinking.
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I have recently been resorting to Dispensary weed, and --just by looking at it-- I have been able to discern the higher quality buds from the garbage. I have been getting some damed good quality herb, some even seem comparatively equivalent with my homegrown in quality, and have even tried some lesser-quality buds that were surprisingly good. Not saying that the unknown factors are ignored-- just that there is some damned good seeming weed at some dispensaries.
As for comparative analysis of high qualities between initial experiences and current high-volume usage effects, let me put it this way: When I first started drinking, I could get wasted off 2-3 beers, and might have puked after 8-9 drank in quick succession. As I aged, and I drank more, my body became accustomed to the alcohol buzz, and did what it does… normalize. Neuroplasticity and tolerance kicked in over time, and now I can drink a fifth of vodka without slurring, needing to fall asleep from being plastered, or vomiting. It’s not because of the interbreeding or standardization of hops strains that “has made alcohol weak”, NO! I have built a tolerance. It is the human brains remarkable ability to normalize its current state, and our own consious decisions we have made to “seem less stoned” around others, as well as the divergence from stonedness being a novel outlying state to being a daily full-time experience… we use visine, deny we are on drugs, and attempt to act as “normal as possible” at work or in public, so as to not receive ridicule, in our desperate attempts to fit in and not be judged in a negative manner by our peers. Similarly with a cannabis buzz, bonging through a quarter a day builds up tolerance and induced a neuroplastic response as the brain attempts to normalize its perceptions so it can remain in seeming control of its reality.
And to answer the question of the OP, yes I still get high AF from buds… when I lay down, put on the pink floyd, and let myself dissolve into the experience rather than actively working against the buzz by trying to minimize its effects and fit in in public; whereas, when I don’t relax and enjoy the ride, I can focus on my awareness to the point that I barely notice the buzz–which I was not able to do when I was a kid, but have learned and reinforced over time. I get a psychedelic effect from some strains, and a knockout full-body stone, too, but only for the first time or two I smoke them… after that the effect is diminished unless I take a break from that strain. Because: Neuroplasticity, not inbreeding depression
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I spent a lot of time. Every time a new draft was made, I wrote to the politicians. I put a lot of effort into it and was very focused. I spent a lot of time with the politicians to explaine the exact point, the quality, and why the quality was declining. Every time a new draft was written, a lawyer who has a YouTube channel explained the whole thing from A to Z for two hours.
So it’s pretty misleading if you assume I only asked Chat GPT. The legal text is somehow 100 pages long. Do you think I’ll read through it and learn how to interpret legal texts? I’ve even tried that, but
just saying
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What I’m saying is that chatgpt is eroding your ability to think for yourself. It’s a widely documented phenomenon that follows human psychology. things are “tough” to learn but that’s the only way we improve our knowledge base. Offloading all knowledge base to silicon will have a long term effect that is net negative.
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I just wrote that every time a new draft was made, I was informed by a lawyer.
Back then, there was no Chat GPT, and I noticed that the three-plant rule wasn’t being applied, and that’s exactly what I said in my post.
So, Chat GPT hasn’t changed what I said.
My statement is exactly the same as it was a year ago, when there was no Chat GPT.
Chat GPT just taught me that a thousand plants are apparently not allowed because that falls under preservation. So, Chat GPT taught me that it’s a bit stricter than I actually thought.
If Chat GPT isn’t lying, GPT has confirmed that there is no three-plant rule in cultivation clubs.
So, if Chat GPT isn’t lying, I’m not that far off the mark. I didn’t even want to claim that Chat GPT is telling the truth, and I simply wanted to say that Chat GPT seems to confirm me as a coincidence, and coincidences are rare.
From my point of view, you just come along with your preconceived notion that someone can’t think about GPT anymore, and refer to a study that you haven’t linked.
the study sounds absurd. I have never heard anything so strange before. At least if you believe that I can no longer think with 100% certaintyas soon as I read on GPT
So if President Obama would use Chat GPT he would be stupid in an instant 
If you’re trying to say you shouldn’t rely too heavily on Chat GPT because then you slowly forget how to think, I can imagine that myself
sorry I’m finally trying to get out now ciao
Absolutely in the same boat! I tried to go legit and get a micro biz license, but as an Organic Living Soil Grower I had to pass Agricultural soil testing and I doubt my living soil would have passed their rigorous guidelines! If I was younger I would probably have adjusted but I’m almost retired and done with red tape and jumping thru hoops! So I just stay low and offer my pure natural clean flower to a small group of Bud Snobs! I’m happy with that. I was born in Germany, lived there for a while, LOVED IT!
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She’s half Belgian Draft and half Gypsy Vanner! Thank you! My two passions in life! Horses and Weed!
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All that yummy unnecessary fertilizer 
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I think at best, the LLMS can generate a starting point for determining if something is real.
“too many people are taking a leap of faith” robert c clarke. lol it’s kind of off topic but not really. That guy is the grandfather of cannabis research.
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As it stands, it’s all in flux. There is no solid foundation to build on, so go grab the old clones that appeal to YOU and keep them close. Share them for free, but keep the core cuts sacred and do a round of beans from time to time and pay it forward to people just seeking out that old stuff. It’s been a core foundation to me since I was a kid. Seek out the best and share it and raise the bar for everyone. Not sure how we ended up with all this frosty shit that won’t burn they are hawking nowadays. Damn, there I go rambling again lol.
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Could that be Tom Hill there? If so, thank you!
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Champagne connoisseur quality buds will always command a good price. They sell themselves, unless some dumbass like me gives them away because you just happened to make them smile one day.
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