Haha, right?!? It’s funny that way, how drugs make us feel good haha…
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I tripped my balls off a few months after my brother passed away. I found a pic of him and my other brother while inwqs tripping and it was so strange. I felt this wave coming over me. My whole body starting vibrating i went into a daydream of a memory of us all fishing together and he caught this huge catfish. Felt like i was there and reliving the day. My memory was so vivid and accurate.
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Well, first of all, sorry about your brother.
Second of all, I’ve always found it best to sort of resist any urge you might have to get sentimental, tripping or sober. But especially when you’re tripping. Unless you feel like it’s a necessary thing, I guess. I’m not really a sentimental person in general, so that’s easy for me. I just move on, but I understand that a lot of people feel compelled to kind of hold on to stuff.
The friend of mine who I typically eat shrooms with is sooooooo sentimental; it drives me nuts, actually haha. I’m always like,”Dude, we were twelve then! Who gives a shit?”
The last time we ate shrooms, she just would NOT shut up about our childhood. And then, after me and my girl went to bed, she fucking called her mom in Florida at like 4am PST (7am EST, though haha…), told us all about it when we woke up and I was like,”What? You called your mom?” But apparently she had a very cathartic experience, so…
Like I said, whatever works for you. And sorry again about your brother. I hate it when people I love die.
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Nitrous is fun as hell when tripping. Wish i still had a nitrous hook up.
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June 25, 1992 I was in the parking lot outside Soldier Field in downtown Chicago before the Grateful Dead show and stuck out my hand to receive some liquid LSD. The person dispensing it puddled me. I tripped hard for 24 hours. I was just starting to come down before the next night’s show (also at Soldier Field). We parked next to some folks who had a tank of nitrous. I took a couple of hits from a large balloon - and it totally kicked the acid back in!!!
I had a blast with LSD back in the day, but anymore I only use it in small quantities for energy at shows. I’m overdue for a soul searching trip at home. I’m thankful my early LSD trips were in a safe, comfortable home setting.
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Go to a speed shop. They have tanks there. Or they did back in the day when I lived in Florida.
Do you guys not have head shops in Ohio? The ones here sell the little, like, 24-packs or whatever of the bullshit cartridges; I see them scattered all over the place in any parking lot of a strip mall where there’s a head shop/“tobacco” store/whatever you wanna call them.
I don’t care about nitrous, but I did do a few “Whip-Its” like twelve years with a chick I’d just met at a weird Rainbow Gathering Halloween thing. As usual, I was super-high on blow and she busted them out, so I did a few. Got her number, hung out with her like a week later and was like,”Oh… You don’t look anything like I remember you looking when we met…” haha. I mean, I didn’t actually tell her that, but I for sure did not want to hook up with her at all. So we just did a bunch of blow and after like seven hours she drove back home to Venice. Which was fine with me.
And I only mention that story because we’re doing this
now haha.
I mean, I won’t lie, we all know acid’s fun, but I am done done done with it.
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Im not sure that the nitrous used in cars is as safe as medical grade nitrous. I always assumed it had impurities in it.
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Hero’s or Heroic dose is a term coined by Terence McKenna for anything over 5 grams.
Is this aimed at me? B/c I don’t know what the fuck your talking about. Must be that 13th White Claw talking, huh.
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I even have a funny tee shirt referencing this… though not many people get it when I wear it. I don’t think many people know what Terence looks like or who he is.
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No, not necessarily “aimed” at you, but I was definitely responding to you, yes. I was just trying to make the point that I don’t really understand what seems to me to be this urge to be “guided” re psychedelics that a lot of people have. Like, I don’t get why anybody would listen to a podcast about shrooms or acid or anything, really haha. To me (and this is just me, obviously), it feels like people are listening to those because they wanna be told how they’re supposed to feel when they eat shrooms or whatever, instead of just enjoying the experience on their own terms, sans other people’s influence.
It’s sorta like when people say things like,”Oh, no no no, don’t drink heavily when you’re on shrooms!” or,”Don’t do blow when you’re tripping!” or whatever. “Those things RUIN the trip!” And I’m just like,”Uh, this alcohol and this joint and this blow is absolutely NOT ruining my trip right now.” Or whatever.
I guess it just depends on the reasons why people eat shrooms or acid or smoke weed or do whatever it is they do. Personally, I’m not looking for salvation or enlightenment or anything when I do drugs; I think that that’d be very misguided and, ultimately, you’re just gonna be disappointed.
Look within and all that…
If I offended you, I apologize. That wasn’t my intention. You know I love you, Crunch. No need to make snide remarks about my alcoholism, though.
Hahaha!!! I love that. I wouldn’t recognize him, I really have no idea who that is. I mean, I know the name, but I don’t think I’ve ever read any of his stuff or listened to his podcast (does he have a podcast? Haha) or anything. Still, that’s pretty funny.
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Also, yes, I’m familiar with the term. I just think it’s funny how it’s all of a sudden sort of entered the general lexicon in the past few years. I mean, I’ve never heard anybody refer to that until just a few years ago, but maybe people were talking about that before and I just wasn’t listening. I dunno.
And there’s nothing “heroic” about eating five grams of mushrooms haha. That just sounds like a really good time to me haha! The balls on that dude, to call eating five grams of shrooms “heroic.” Gimme a fucking break…
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True. Good point. Still, though, if you’re looking for nitrous, they have it at speed shops.
I got the first of two root canals done last Friday and during the pre-exam or whatever, I asked the dentist,”So how’s this gonna go down? Like for the pain and stuff,” and she said that they’d be giving me nitrous for the duration, which, okay, I’m fine with that. But then when they actually did the root canal, there was no nitrous involved, only novacaine haha.
My face is still a little swollen and it still hurts, might be why I’ve been being a little bitchy on overgrow the past few days. Sorry, y’all haha…
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Terence Mckenna died in ~2000 or so, so no podcast. His passing was a true loss for the counter culture. He had a lot of interesting takes on various topics but that’s rarely what’s given attention by the people parroting his content (Rogan). Reading what you wrote it seems like you are aligned on many ideas anyways, IE the whole topic of gaining spiritual advancement or enlightenment through psychedelics.
There’s no substitute for the experience and that’s something McKenna has repeated himself ad-nauseam. The impression I always got was the 5g dose was more often pushed as an ‘effective dose’ rather than a heroic dose. It was a heroic dose in that it requires courage to do, that’s all. Reminds me a lot of our Cannabis “breeders”, there are a lot of aspirational psychedelic “influencers” or guru types that would be quick to take a threshold dose as an excuse to elevate themselves as experts on the topic.
All his content was pre-shroomery and would be fair to view through that lens. Not a lot of information was publicly available on dosing or anything. He and his brother wrote one of if not the first widely available books on cultivating Ps mushrooms under a psuedonym as well.
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Thank you! Gawd, I love you, syzygy… Haha.
Do you remember how CBD was gonna be the magic bullet that “saved” everybody? And now it’s microdosing? And there was Prozac in the 80’s or 90’s or whenever? And whatever all else. It’s always a new thing, like,”This is the answer to all your problems!”
I just feel like, no, there’s no drug that’s gonna save you. YOU are the problem. Quit looking for reasons to excuse your shitty behavior and quit looking for the answer in a pill or CBD or microdoses or weed or whatever and LOOK WITHIN. The drugs are the bonus haha. The drugs are what you get to enjoy AFTER you’ve got your shit straightened out.
Anyway…
I think somebody might be reading his words into a podcast then haha, because it took me a minute to realize why I know his name, but then I remembered that my friend kept insisting that I listen to “his” podcast before we started eating shrooms a couple years back. I declined, obviously haha, but yeah, I remember her being like,”Terence McKenna! Terence McKenna!” But maybe she was just reading his books and not listening to a podcast, I dunno. I’ll have to ask her.
Okay, that’s a better way to put it. I’ll admit, when I first got back into shrooms, I was very apprehensive about eating more than two grams at once, but now I’m just like,”Psshhh… Two grams. Okay, I’ll start with that, I guess.”
Do you think this “heroic dose” thing is just people misconstruing McKenna’s own words? Or did he actually call it that?
This is what I’m realizing. It seems like a scam to me. And it’s why I’ve kinda been on this,”These motherfuckers don’t know anything more than we do!” trip for a while now. “They’re not authorities on this subject any more than we are!” haha.
That’s cool. That actually is “heroic” haha, back when you had to worry about being arrested for writing something, but they did it anyway. I admire that.
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There are experts, but no authorities.
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Yeah, though I’m not sure Cannabis would have become legal in my state as fast as it did were it not for the public’s exposure to CBD products. A necessary evil… But I agree, CBD has been pushed for damn near everything imaginable. I’m glad it’s available to people who actually do need it now though, like those suffering from seizures.
I tried microdosing ps. cubes ~20 years ago but never noticed any appreciable benefit in my case. Agree with your position on there being no magic cure. Ironically I was listening to a McKenna tape while doing some physical work the other day and thought his comments on mini doses having a stimulant effect was pretty interesting.
Of course, as in other areas of life many people take the effortless approach and just copy and steal from others rather than offer a unique and genuine perspective. The biggest podcast host (Joe Rogan) has parroted McKenna tapes verbatim to his audience and only after he became extremely popular began actually crediting him for the content.
I’m sure there are plenty others out there no doubt.
The term was used for sure but it was just to emphasize the importance of having a full blown experience for yourself.
For sure, and that was kind of the point of the heroic dose thing as far as I could tell. Not that you would take 5g and become enlightened as a guru. It’s more or less just trying to make sure we’re all talking about the same thing.
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Yeah, maybe. I mean, define “expert.” Just because somebody’s eaten a lot of shrooms or smoked a lot of weed or whatever, that makes them an expert? I think anything written about any drug is just one person’s experience with them, no matter how often they’ve imbibed. To call yourself an “expert” just because you’ve tripped hard a bunch of times seems incredibly egotistical to me. If “eating a bunch of shrooms” or “eating a bunch of acid” or “smoking a bunch of weed” makes you an expert on the subject, than I’m an “expert,” too haha.
And I don’t think that I really wanna listen to anybody who says,”I’ve eaten a bunch of psychedelics, so what I say is gospel.” That sounds like some Charles Manson-type shit haha.
Anyway, I just got off of the phone with my friend who kept bringing up Terence McKenna a while back. She mentioned this thing about these horrible recurring headaches that she was having before one of the last times we ate some shrooms; they were so bad that she got an MRI and whatever just to figure out what was going on, but after we ate a “heroic dose” haha, the headaches have since gone away.
So I guess there’s a little something to this idea, but in general, I still think that looking for “solutions” from drugs is the wrong way to go about solving any problem you may be having.
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I know when I was looking at microdosing way back on Mycotopia or Shroomery it was common knowledge that psilocin / psyilocybin was effective for people suffering with cluster headaches.
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An expert has a lot of experience in the subject field. Much the same I would call myself an expert in handling plant pathogens. Expertise is a spectrum. Authority isn’t a spectrum, it’s absolute. Knowledge always changes, so anyone who claims to be an authority is already wrong.
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Mhm. Yep.
Love you @syzygy, love you @JoeCrowe, I love all of you. But I think I might actually be having a manic experience, sans any drugs, feels like it’s been building for a day or two now, so I’m just gonna log off and we’ll come back to this later. Or not. I gotta get out of here, though.
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