I would as well , I don’t smoke but it seems like such an effort.
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i didn’t say anything was fixed, i said it was a cycle and that it exists whether we perceive it or not. you can measure it or call it whatever you want but none of it matters. everything is still moving in a cycle, with or without us. it was that way for billions of years before us and will be for billions after us.
You do know that if you could properly measure time, which you can’t. It would be different at sea level than at the top of a hill.lol
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which is part of why i said none of it matters. time happens with or without us but it is different at different places, not just like you mentioned, but for everywhere. claiming that it doesn’t exist without us is not only asinine, it’s rather egotistical. may or may not be true, i don’t claim to know all the answers, just the ones that were given to me.
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time happens with or without us but it is different at different places, not just like yo
[/quote]. When something is different , frequently we name it something else for clarification.
true, but we don’t claim it doesn’t exist unless we perceive it. we allow that things can happen whether we observe them or not.
different at different places means that things like days are not universal, not that it isn’t time. my bad for being too short with it.
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It’s a friendly match. All is good, need some more viewpoints in here.
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to answer your question i don’t know ^^ i like to think i grow, but in spirit and wisdom, not in age. “you’re only as old as you feel.” we (mankind) measure time based upon the ‘time’ it takes for us to go around the sun. if we float out of the gravity created by celestial bodies, how do we measure time then?
furthermore, if we take every instance of ‘scientific achievement’ out of the frame of view, can we personally verify anything? any example you give i could simply say “that’s just how you see it.”
so someone told you time existed and you accepted that as true. did you ever think to challenge them on it? make them prove it?
this is the idea that i wanted you to think about, the beliefs that you have… why do you have them? is it because it’s an easy explanation? here’s something to think about. in science and mathematics the physical world is ‘governed’ by the laws of physics. we can compare one thing to another. a gram is comparable to a percentage of a liter. a millimeter is comparable to a part of an ounce. a pint is comparable to part of a kilogram. why is it that time = time and space = space, and there’s nothing to compare them to?
i hope these questions get the neurons firing ^^
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You say the physical world is bound by the laws of Physics , What about the beginning when the laws of the cosmos were “flexible”. Is this proof that you believe in different worlds. The one with the laws and the one that doesn’t. No offense, meant. We are ungoverned
indeed, but it’s also affected by something ‘more’. is it inter-dimensions parallel to ours; concurrent; linear? who knows! 
what beginning when? my beginning? Earth’s beginning? i’ve never known a law to be ‘flexible’. every law i’ve ever read had been very punctual and grammatically correct.
love the questioning! questions are how we get queries answered ^^
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In times of extreme energy , those physical laws are bendy. Max Planck says so
if you want to you can, just read what i wrote again, the part about the cycles. yes you can personally verify them through observation. doesn’t matter how you perceive them, they exist independently of you or i or anything/anyone else.
since it was a vision when i was laying almost dead in the icu and was divinely given to me, no, i never once thought to question it. it made perfect sense and showed me how science and religion are the same. why would i want to challenge that? i also had a catholic vision quest last weekend that gave me further answers and helped renew my faith.
who says there isn’t anything to compare them to? we just don’t know the full truth of the functioning of our world/universe yet, that’s all. maybe we will one day, maybe not. it changes nothing about the laws that govern the universe if we know them or not. that little bit of quantum randomness is what makes things possible while at the same time confounds our interpretation of things.
nah. i have way more important things to think about. even if someone had a theory that was comparable to anything in reality in this thread there would be no way to know it. interesting diversion but that’s about it.
Time was Not given to you, you Bent it ! With your will. More folks get in here
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Love the conversation! I’m new here. No conclusions here, just thoughts.
It would seem that the concept of time has subjective and objective elements to consider. One can argue that the simplest definition of time is “that which separates events.”
From our perspective, everything doesn’t happen at once. Therefore, early humans needed some way how to describe the concept of “when” to do things and language enabled them to do so
The words reinforce the concept of time, the utility of the concept reinforces the use of the words. We are indoctrinated with these concepts as we develop and time is integrated into our understanding of reality. It is considered a dimension of reality. I can’t imagine understanding reality absent the concept of time. That may be because time is an objective element of the universe. Or, perhaps it’s just that I was taught to hallucinate our reality in that manner.
Objective vs. subjective - from our perspective it takes over 8 minutes for a photon to travel from the sun to earth. From the photon’s perspective it is instantaneous. What does that really mean?
Linearity- is time a line or a loop? How do we test this concept? Also, some cultures view time a a set of concentric circles. I can’t even understand thar world view well enough to make an evaluation of its veracity. Seems cool though!
Time loops - if time loops does it mean everything repeats? Or is there another interpretation?
Causality- if you could theoretically reverse time would this invert the cause preceding the effect relationship we currently enjoy?
Measurement. Scientists love measuring with time! It’s is a true ratio variable with a true zero. How cool us that?
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I gave Bert one star for now…
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This discussion is is timeless and infinite …love it 
Shit just got real with @Foreigner in the the thread 
Just wanted to share this …time maybe a byproduct of enthropy 
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“Time is an abstract concept, that’s a wristwatch.”
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“This is no time to talk about time we don’t have the time.”
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Oh!.. I get it …it’s that time 
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Time is an artificial construct around which we base our lives. Relativity,’basic solar orbit, irrelevant. Part of being human is the 24 hour cycle. Not me, but mostly.
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