i thought i recalled an explosive being nearly the same as something innocuous, but didn’t take chemistry in school, just heard it somewhere.
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Jeesh.
Ok.
So just because things are close on a molecular level does not mean they are the same thing or even similar. Just 1 simple easily searchable example of this is thalidomide. I’m not saying this to be mean, but I think you should brush up on some basic scientific concepts before trying to tell others they do not know what they are talking about
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@sfzombie13
This was the original statement about CBD and THC.
Something seems backwards here.
To me at least there is a big difference between 2 totally different things that are not at all the same and “Structurally and chemically they are identical except for 1 chemical bond.”
They are almost exactly the same not 2 totally different things that are not at all the same
For the record, I never said they were exactly the same.
In my world at least almost identical does not mean the same as 2 totally different things that are not at all the same
If you insist I am still wrong, I am all out of arguments.
You can believe what you wish here, I know what is true.
Here is a question.
Would you say mirror images are similar or are they 2 totally different things that are not at all the same
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Note that I was distinguishing between CBD and Delta 8, not CBD and naturally occurring THC.
You really don’t understand how different compounds with even a single molecular difference are. Even if they are the same but arranged different they are extremely different. The magnitude of the difference seems to escape you.
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You avoided the question…LOL
When you look in a mirror, do you see someone totally different not at all the same?
Is the mirror image an exact copy of your image with very slight differences?
Or is the image you see someone totally different not at all the same?
Sure the image is reversed so it is not exactly the same, but it is not a totally different person in the reflected image…is it?
On a molecular level CBD and THC have more things in common than they are different.
To me that equates to being very similar and that is a far cry from being 2 totally different things that are not at all the same
Do those very subtle differences make a difference in how our bodies react to them?
Sure, but none the less they remain very similar almost identical, not 2 totally different things that are not at all the same
Not at all the same means nothing or very little in common.
Do these 2 have nothing or very little in common?
I would say they have a lot in common, in fact they are almost identical.
Almost identical means almost exactly the same.
Almost exactly the same does not mean 2 totally different things that are not at all the same
Something can not be almost identical and totally different and not at all the same.
They are opposite of each other.
For example:
Are these 2 images 2 totally different things that are not at all the same ?
They look almost the same to me.
“Structurally and chemically they are identical except for 1 chemical bond.”
On a molecular level, they are almost indistinguishable.
Both CBD and THC share the exact same molecular formula, C21H30O2, containing twenty-one atoms of carbon, thirty of hydrogen and two of oxygen. Their molecular mass is practically identical with THC and CBD having masses of 314.469 g/mol 314.464 g/mol, respectively.
That does not sound at all like 2 totally different things that are not at all the same
Sure, their effects on the human body may be greatly different but that does not make them 2 totally different things that are not at all the same
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Thank you for confirming my suspicion. Have a good weekend man.
Another case for Delta 8 THC not being available in the near future.
They have taken cold medicine off the market.
Will they do the same for CBD?
Like making methamphetamine from cold medicine, just because the starting materials are legal does not make the resulting product legal (or safe).
Christopher Hudalla, president and chief scientific officer, ProVerde Laboratories
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i’m done with you. figure it out yourself. i was just trying to help. not any more. too bad too, if you would just listen to some folks around here you may just end up doing something close to what you want. oh well, not my rock. enjoy the weekend.
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I am pretty good at that, I was just trying to help you also.
Maybe we can disagree here and still be friends. 
Here is more on why Delta 8 will soon be regulated as a new un-approved drug.
From the link above…
“I believe that delta-8 has a legitimate place in therapeutics and potentially adult use,” Hudalla adds. “But I just don’t see anybody doing it appropriately. It’s all bathtub gin.”
CBD and delta 8 bathtub gin will be going away.
Pharmaceutical companies ect. that are not making bathtub gin will be allowed to continue.
But this will most likely be a pharmacy-only product.
Something most folks don’t know is CBD can have weird interactions with certain medications.
The FDA is not going to allow bathtub gin CBD to cause interactions with FDA approved medication causing people to be hospitalized.
CBD safety and regulation
Over-the-counter CBD products are not regulated by the FDA. Although most are extensively tested, there is still a possibility of error (such as the mix-up reported last September in The Oregonian), so be wary that products might not be 100% CBD as labeled.
As @Emeraldgreen said earlier in this post…
A popular CBD product in his area was found to have no CBD at all.
Or something like that for those …to the letter people… 
Sure folks probably said it had a good effect, but what was the active meth? 
I jest of course but what was it???
Considering CBD? Talk to your doctor or pharmacist first
If you have questions about how your medications will interact with CBD, reach out to your doctor or local pharmacist for help. Pharmacists are great resources and can help come up with alternative therapies if CBD is not a good option for you.
CBD might not mix with your meds - The Portland Clinic.
NOTE:
This does not suggest you reach out to the California Cannabis Association ect. is says to reach out to a doctor or pharmacist.
Because CBD is FDA-approved as a medication (Epidiolex) it cannot be legally added to food or sold as a dietary supplement — unless the FDA specifically determines that it’s safe to do so, a step it has not taken.Jul 20, 2023
in the FDA’s Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act states that if a substance such as THC or CBD is an active ingredient in a drug that has been approved or is being investigated in clinical trials, any other products containing that substance are excluded from the definition of a dietary supplement. Because it’s an ingredient in a drug, the FDA argues, CBD cannot be used in food and drinks. Under current regulations, it’s even off the table for dog treats.
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From the link below…
If marijuana was rescheduled, as HHS has proposed following a scientific reviewed directed by President Joe Biden, it would remain federally illegal except for medical use with a prescription from a doctor.
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Is CBD considered a Schedule 1 drug?
It would seem it has been Schedule 5 for quite some time.
The DEA announced Thursday that drugs including CBD with THC content below 0.1% are now considered Schedule 5 drugs, as long as they have been approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. It is the first time the agency has lowered any type of cannabis from Schedule 1.Sep 27, 2018
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These are strange positions to me, but I appreciate the time and effort people have put in to explaining them. I always learn something just reading these threads.
“It’s already regulated” isn’t a rationale. “It’s done regularly” definitely doesn’t mean it’s good. 
If history demonstrates anything about this, it’s that Prohibition
- Doesn’t Work
- Actively causes harm to innocents while failing to successfully modify the desired behavior
I think this also applies to “It’s already tracked and monitored”. - Tends to be funded by oppositional special interests rather than objective science, as this latest schedule hearing demonstrated.
and on a personal note… I think it’s just plain old wrong. Just like anything else which is not consensual. You cannot (in my eyes) talk about something being good, right, or just which is not first of all Consensual. That is the precursor of ye olde “The ends justify the means” utilitarian moral Nihilism.
If you have to initiate harm or invasion of privacy where NONE would otherwise exist, on “suspicion” when your rightful legal presumption is supposed to be of my innocence, then that would make you the aggressor, and many such aggressions are justified thusly under the pretext of public safety.
stares in Albert Camus
So, not only do such laws not work. They have no right to work.
This is not a semantic triviality, I think. If I DON’T have the right to choose what I do with my own body, fundamentally, if I must await state permission, then that makes all citizens in rem wards and property of the state.
Even Tommy J., MLK, and the original T. Paine would agree, and without condoning any specific course of action I also intellectually agree…
In any ultimatum between the law of the land and the pains of his own conscience
good men break the fucking law.
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“When injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty.” -Thomas Jefferson
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It’s my duty to grow weed I love itv
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i would have to agree 100% with this statement. not sure what a rem ward is but the rest is clear.
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Me too unfortunately. Outa 
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@JtheFool
You are not so foolish, well said brother! 
They will imprison you to protect you from harming yourself…
You could be right!
Some might say it is our duty to break unjust laws.
I think we need to change your name from JtheFool to JtheWise. 
Well said brother well said… 
This too…
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Drug Interactions
CBD is metabolized in the liver, mainly by CYP2C19, CYP3A4, and UGT. This can lead to interactions with prescription drugs, OTC medications, and herbal supplements.1,14
The inhibition of CYP2C19 by CBD can increase levels of carisoprodol, citalopram, clopidogrel, diazepam, phenytoin, proton pump inhibitors (PPIs), valproic acid, and warfarin. As a strong CYP3A4 inducer, CBD may lessen the efficacy of amlodipine, atorvastatin, buprenorphine, bupropion, diltiazem, eplerenone, fentanyl, loperamide, midazolam, paclitaxel, pioglitazone, sildenafil, solifenacin, tamsulosin, testosterone, topiramate, zolpidem, and other 3A4 substrates.7
More serious effects may occur with concomitant use of central nervous system depressants, such as barbiturates, benzodiazepines, fentanyl, morphine, and propofol. These effects are the result of the synergistic effects of sedation and hypnotic effects at high doses. Increased sedative effects may also be seen with herbal supplements, including kava, melatonin, S-adenosylmethionine, and St. John’s wort.13,14
Other interactions to be aware of are presented in TABLE 1.
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So with all of the drug interactions it is impossible to market CBD as a safe for all product.
If you say it is safe for all, the FTC may have something different to say about that.
If you can’t say it is safe and you can’t say it has health benefits unless you have human trials to prove your claims what will CBD be marketed as?
If it is already an approved drug and we know it is, you can not market as a supplement or even a cream or so says the FDA.
So I ask, how will CBD be sold outside of a pharmacy?
We know it is being sold at the special pharmacy in Georgia, so we have a good model for that.
Do you suppose the gas stations will compete with the pharmacies in Georgia for CBD sales?
I personally think that will not be allowed.
I also think these new types of pharmacies will catch on quickly.
I see this as the new national model for CBD aka low THC cannabis oil.
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