We’re gonna see on mine how it works out. I’m gonna go trim the heck out of them, and when we get closer I’m gonna put a net over them and do some training. I also just topped em all the other day.
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He says you have quite a bit of leniency. I just gave all the goat pen girls a trim and chiro treatment today. They are much thinner than my main plants because they don’t get near as much light. Maybe this evening I will do some trimming on these plants.
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That’s what I’d like to do with my Zamaldelica grow I have going.
I’d like to keep the plants in their original configuration for my seed set, at least the females.
In my absence, the male ran straight into a 120 watt FS bulb and burned the growing tip completely.
I had to chop it off.
What @Badger is doing I’ve heard called trench or pot digging.
Typically used where soil is tight, rocky or compacted, literally form rows or pots of improved soil that can actually support a crop.
@Badger, is your native soil like that?
The soil at my present locale is a rocky loam that you have to open with a pick or digging bar.
But the trees and plants grow like crazy in this stuff.
I have a fem Purple Heart auto in a 2 gallon pot that I semi buried in it and mounded leaves, bark and small broken branches as a mulch/moisture trap.
A little over a foot tall now, those roots should be down there already.
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Man I don’t know about that. If you do make sure to keep us posted because this is just my opinion but it might set you back on harvest times
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I think ideal time would of been a couple of weeks ago when they were on their stretch!
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It is pretty thick clay here. Once it dried out (more than I knew), I couldn’t even get a shovel in. You can work it and ammend it into a good garden. I didn’t have time, and I was so interested in living soil, I thought, why not.
This story now goes back to the early 2000’s, my first time on overgrow. This was exactly how I grew guerilla style. I floated tubs of soil down the river to fill my holes. The river made a nice path to keep from leaving a path, visible from the air.
No, it wasn’t living soil back then, but it worked. Then sadly, I was arrested for growing my own medicine (I only got caught with 1/2 a joint).
Being short on time, I started digging holes and mixing soil.
So, long story for a short answer. (medicated answer) 
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We will see, I was working on trimming mine up late, so I will get some pics up tomorrow.
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This fall take an area 4x4 or what size ya want and cover it with leaves and debris 6-8 inches deep And water in ,that hard clay with Magically change maybe add some lime also ,lime aggregates clay well ,you be surprised what change will happen I just short time reapeat whenever ya can !
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OK, in will try that for sure. Then you just start working compost and more into the top huh? Get some wigglers in there, and it can change pretty fast huh? I may have to try that. Thanks tiny.
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Man Badger I bet you got some stories. I have some questions now lol. Floated soil down the river? How did u move it from there??
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Take the shittiest place ya have and get a tablespoon and attempt to scrape some top soil and get a feeling for it then do it the same thing about this time next year… always keep it covered with some sort of organic matter And water from time to time and report back next year or even next spring!
Do not till it what every you do though !
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Dude, that’s the tiniest part of the story, ha, those were the days. Yeah, I kinda like everything pretty calm compared to how it was in my younger days. My mom laughs her tail off everytime we go back. She was a huge help.
We took the soil in totes, so we would drag them in from the bank. Dodging snakes, cacti, and the law. Hell yeah man, wanna be dukes of hazard, those were the days.
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Just lay it in top that’s all you need to do!
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Right over the grass? Boom! Kick ass!
Edit: sorry, I got a bit excitable! 
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If ya want to make some nice soil there sure!
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Hey Tiny,
Gypsum opens clay soil too.
Doesn’t raise the ph either.
There’s an old adage “Add sand to clay, throw your money away, add clay to sand, money in your hand.”
My original garden space was in clay subsoil.
At the time I didn’t have my compost bins made, yet I still wanted to garden.
There was a gravel pit nearby and I got a couple of trailer loads of sharp sand and started digging it into my beds.
At the rate of 8" sharp sand to 4" of clay (and a ton of work) netted me 12" of heavy loam that I could grow root crops in.
I also used clean, non printed cardboard on another bed, covered it w/leaves and grass clippings one fall and was able to plant directly into it next spring.
By the end of summer though, it had reverted to brick status and I had to repeat the sand mix on it too.
Sand literally changes the structure of clay soils but has to be added in with enough volume to see any difference.
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Sweet ! Maybe I had the wrong soil additive I try to keep up on those things but haven’t used either one to date I always tell my self I want to experiment a little with gypsum and lime but never have the only thing Iv done with gypsum is to change the water profile in beer making! Lol
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That’s interesting had you tilled the soil then?
Soil structure is always damaged when soil is turned
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Actually no.
It was gardened the year prior by the previous owner, roto-tilled for sure but the 8 " or so of mulch sorta just got swallowed up and left only a few scraps of cardboard too.
Zuchinni and squash, those big leaves covered most of it up too.
Most of my neighbors roto- till and usually our soil is too wet in spring but they do it anyway.
They manage to get a garden of some sort.
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Gypsum is a lot more effective out west I hear, moves sodium out of the soil.
I’ve seen pics of salt build up in western farms, nasty.
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