Starting this thread as a place for people to document true dwarf cannabis genetics,
Not talking about auto flowers or plants put into flower at a small age or plants grown close to a light to make them compact . Im talking plants that grow super compact and often slow achieving a much smaller size then most due to genetics not any manipulation or training.
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To start I have this fcut s1 , very slow grower but super lush and stinky. Probably the thickest slowest growing plant I have come across…. The others from the same pack are 2-3 times the height and rate of growth
This is 3 1/2 feet below some t5 fluorescents
I will call her fat girl
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Angus has a bunch of semi dwarf stuff balkhi afghan 90 and a Nepalese one he doesn’t list on the site but might still have some available if you ask him anyway I’m sure it pops up in a few different genepools though it’s certainly a interesting trait that’s for sure
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Cannabis can produce gigantism and nanism phenotypes, but this one have just the SAR at maximum level. It’s not nanism, it’s the intensive use of the defenses that keep it tight around the trunk in favoring the only layer that is not in deficit.
To best learn the nanism and its leverages on traits, just copy the (real) bonsaïs growers. Use copper and select your plants for their answer to this epigenetic factor. With constancy and method, within 3 gens you have your nano line.
T5/CFL have the advantage to be very stable on light penetration, and predictable. Each feet lower proportionnally the density. Keep you neons closer, this is a height for a MH.
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I appreciate the advice but have been growing for over 25 years and my lights do not need to be any closer trust me on that. It’s very easy to tell when plants are to close or to far from a light source…
It’s not a sar response as it is properly fed and not experiencing any abnormal stress. Some plants just grow this way and I think it is neat and has a lot of potential as a breeding tool. I’m not looking for an answer or advice just sharing and creating a place for others to as well.
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Meaning, if you start and keep them in bonsai form from parent til f3 then f4 will be dwarf even grown in a larger pot? Or I’m just talking non sense. Sorry I’m not familiar with some terminologies and my english is not that good. But I find this interesting.
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My intention for this thread was to document natural occurring dwarf plants not rootbound , light pressured or any other means of creating them
Could we stay on topic please
And No epigenetic changes are not permanent and can not be made to be imo.
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It wasn’t an advise but prevention for the others ^^
Not at all. Making tiny motherplants only affect the health of the clone (when it’s not dialed like with the traditionnal bonsaï practice) and the size of the future clones ^^ You don’t need to do this to promote nanism in cannabis.
Its about this : the use of copper to give shape to bonsaïs. Copper induce nanism with most of plants, cannabis and hemp included.
To map nanism in any strain type, you don’t have to create bonsaïs. Just to wrap all nodes with copper wires when they are enough sturdy to support it. The specimens answering the less are killed and only extreme expression are repro. Within 3 rounds, you have a solid base this way.
Yeah i know 25 years ^^ But Darwin reformed this manner to think a while ago you know ?
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Apologies for asking stupid question. Anyway, Did you tried to grow them without root restriction, outdoor or bed?
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Do we consider Mac1 a dwarf?
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This is a ST#3 vegged three weeks. Short and prehistoric like i love, but it’s not nanism/dwarf stabilized. It’s just indica ^^
(inbred) Gigantism on a California Indica this time, plants on the right have the same age and well known to be vigorous dragsters (Critical Mass).
And how males are looking after three methodic gens ^^
It’s in the timing of development more than in the shape in fact.
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Even outdoors with unlimited root space feed and light there only gonna get so big this is what separates proper dwarf stuff and stuff that’s just small due to how you grow it or a runt as it is a genetic trait nothing to do with grow conditions some stuff has just adapted to be this way
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@Heritagefarms Wish I had pics, but I ran a pack of 33 Purest Indica from Authentic Genetics. They stayed really short and were slow growers. I did them organic, but I know they grow a little faster in coco. Even when @GreenHighland grew them, you could tell they weren’t gonna be big plants.
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I had a genuine dwarf Afghani #1. They grew like little clones, except 1 was very tiny to start with. It ended up about 12 inches tall. It was a tiny Christmas tree with a lot of tiny buds. It was essentially a miniature plant that looked like one fat bud. It smoked rough and was low potency but it was pretty cool.
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That’s why Nevil called it toxic and refused to use it in his gear cos it’s rough and causes throat expansion on the throat and choked some folks out a lil hell some like it and wrongly assume it’s just down to potency rather than genetics good to know there’s dwarf phenos possible tho with #1 mate
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I’m in the process of isolating a dwarf LA Affie S1 into a line that makes dwarf plants. F1s were all dwarfs, f2s had a mix of dwarfs and regular sized plants. I put the f2 dwarfs together to go to F3. We’ll see how that goes.
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