Thanks for the insight my friend,. t. I will have to do more research. It’s definitely more probable that she is in tremendous pain all the time. Makes more sense.
Thanks for the information. I appreciate it greatly
Baring the possibility of enzyme,
The diminished psychedelic trips stand out to me.
Id say ditch the benzos (really dark energy) and get into meditation to expand sensitivity.
As someone who has broken numerous vertebrae over the years and herniated numerous discs, I have had a long journey with pain and pain management.
Heres a few notes:
Lower dose THC works better than higher dose.
Most all pain originates in the mind (now we’re getting back to the use of benzos as well)
Fibro is different than radicular neuropathy. Neuropathy is due to spinal damage. Fibro is due to the mind.
Benzos create a desensitivity to psychedelics through the mechanism of disassociation - thats a very dark path to start. Ive seen the same with ketamine addicts.
Chronic pain motivates people disassociate and becomes a vicious cycle. When the pain has its roots in the mind, this spirals out very quickly.
Here’s something worth watching to end the real pain.
i wanted to advise some strains for high tolerance, but now i see that it isn’t a point
hope you’ll find the way, guys
Vipassana retreat sounds like the sledgehammer that may be needed.
10 days, no dope, no talking.
I haven’t done it; it’s intimidating AF & not easy.
As your spiritual advisor there’s more to be learned about each other so you gotta do it if she does (d’oh! ).
That klonopin stuff is definitely a problem IMO— for emergencies only.
Presuming basic health is ok, detox & deep dive into the mind.
I wish you the best & hope my words help illuminate the darkness of reality’s asshole.
I doubt I’m going to be that helpful in this mystery, but one question… these edibles she’s taking, storebought or homemade?
I understand there’s “instant effect” edibles now that may be different, but in my experience commercially produced edibles do nothing (for me).
Maybe there’s some sort of liver enzyme thing going on that reduces the effectiveness of swallowed edibles?
Concentrates kill my tolerance level and ruin flower for me.
I support seeking out alternatives to benzos as well, but every person is different. I never get high on large doses of edibles, only a vague sense of well being but my smoking tolerance skyrockets when I eat it. My tolerance goes way up, but there’s no available high for a day or two, even dabs will feel muted.
Shrooms and drops she needs heroic doses? What about dmt or Salvia? Same tolerance?
@Wuachuma
Touched on a good point when he says pain can be mental.
You see, our minds learned a long time ago how to get our bodies to do as it wants it to do.
Hunger, thirst, pain, among others, is our minds way of telling us that something is out of order with that system.
For the most part we just ignore the pain because we know it will go away in a little while. Since we are talking about the brain, therefore we are dealing with something that knows us very well. I’m saying, it knows how to motivate us. And pain is the great motivator.
What people don’t understand is that almost any substance can be addictive. Especially if it’s good to us. Our body’s want it. That cup of coffee that your body loves… as it tricks you into thinking that you love it. First it gives you pleasure. Taste good, smell good, feel good going down. Because of how the coffee triggers the pleasure senses, the body enjoys it and want more. And when it doesn’t get more, it sends out a warning first in the way the coffee makes you thirsty.
Think, the body want to the restroom soon after drinking the coffee. Then became thirsty as it wants you to put the water back. Naturally, you drink more coffee and the process, starts all over again. Cigarettes, sugars, benzodiazepines, any substance that you intake will all do the same thing.
You have to understand that the substance that is removing the pain, is also giving you even more pain, as the levels of it that are in your blood decreases. It’s the nature of the beast and makes it impossible for us to walk around numb and feel nothing.
Anyway sometimes pain requires some relief. So now the problem becomes, trying to figure out what is the real pain, and what is the pain of the withdrawal from the med. which can be really tough to do sometimes.
Blown out 5 vertebrae and went from 6’ tall to 5’8" from osteoporosis.
Only 56 and only used cannabis for it for years.
Finally got to much and now I use a mix of mild pharmaceuticals and cannabis and it hurts much less.
Tramadol,robaxin and gabapentin four times a day really improved my quality of life.
Both homemade and bought…
Haven’t done dmt for a while. And I’m working on finding a good price on salvia…Salvia… my ptsd, I take mushrooms for and got off ketamine…
Gabapentin is one of those V.A. soft-kill meds.
It is a chemical lobotomy - it delays the synapse reception. Basically, keeps you a moment or three in the past.
Lyrica is similar.
Some people just don’t feel it. It’s rare but it happens. I have a lady I have gifted gummies to that doesn’t ever feel it. She thinks it’s something to do with a medication she takes. Who knows.
Ya I’m trying to figure it out. I’m leaning towards she is in immense pain, and it only brings it to a tolerable level. What gets me is the psychedelics hardly do anything. Idk anymore. Just looking and trying to figure it out. Many users have chimed in with good information for me. It’s helping me understand,… I actually got her blitzed with some dermal patches last night. They are hard to find but they worked. Took 300 MG of thc dermal, then 300 MG cbd. All on the wrists and ankles…
I don’t have any experience “yet” with immense severe chronic pain. I would encourage to keep trying the 1-1’s like the
Maybe experiment with 2-1’s even 3-or 4 -1s both ways CBD to THC and THC to CBD Try as many different strains of CBD and THC combinations you can get your hands on
In my experience, folks with a history of pills/pharma can have weird tolerance stuff with pot and even mushrooms. ssris, depression stuff, anxiety stuff, some of the more exotic pain pills - their body reacts very differently.
buddy has a wife who’s straight up “immune” to mushrooms it’s wild.
Fibromyalgia is not a mental/psychological disorder.
Fibro is a physical neurological dysfunction where the nerve endings fire at random and ‘overreact’ to stimuli, and where the brain misinterprets environmental stimuli as pain.
Often, because of this, simple ‘pain medications’ often do not work, and as yet- there is no good pharmacological way to control how the nerve fibers react, or how the brain interprets and regulates them.
Lets not confuse the mind with the brain.
Psychological disorders are from ‘the mind’ and how we as an individual deal with the environmental and physical stressors we encounter.
The brain is the organ, just like the heart, lungs, kidneys et… it can have physical maladies that affect its function; and since it controls EVERYTHING in the body, even a small chemical imbalance or minor damage can affect everything in the body in big ways…including causing before-mentioned psychological disorders through dysregulated brain chemistry.
Yoga and hypnotherapy etc…(which I heavily endorse- and am a licensed clinical hypnotherapist) can only do so much, and are not miracle cures. To tell someone ‘it’s in your mind’ is to downplay the actual physical aspects of the disorder and ignore the multiple facets of the treatment needed…and can be dangerous in some cases.
It needs a wholistic approach. And no two people react the same way to treatment, since no two brains are exactly alike in their chemistry or function.
This is why western medicine fails…if your problem doesn’t fit their cookie-cutter diagnosis and respond to a pill… they write it of a ‘psychological’…
When pain management is meant to treat the whole person: physical, physiological, nutritional and spiritual. Native peoples and the Eastern practitioners know and practice this…and it works. But Westerners ‘poo-poo’ the results because it can’t be recreated in a Lab and put in a pill.
She may need an anti-inflammatory diet, cognitive healing, yoga AND cannabis-based '‘meds’ as well as possibly some Eastern herbology, acupuncture and yes- the use of (minimal) pharmaceuticals.
Many peoples bodies react badly to the ingestion of chemicals-- and the meds can have an opposite affect, making the condition worse…but addicting the body to them at the same time.
Treating Fibro is like treating MS and Lupus- their treatment is not in the forefront of the medical industries research. It isn’t '‘cost effective’ for them.
They don’t want cures- they want paying patients.
Thanks @Lady.Zandra63 for that. You summed that up immensely great. Wow. You know your stuff…
“The man who mistook his wife for a hat” is a very interesting read about the physical effects of brain injury.
If you injure the wrong part of brain you can no longer tell vegetables apart. Seriously.
Thank you for mentioning all that you did. Being a partial paraplegic for 28 years more than half my life. I have chronic issues from compensating with my spinal cord injury for decades. Symptoms are very similar to fibromyalgia. Diet/meditation and a High-intensity deep water class 2xs a week that’s a combination of aerobics/yoga/pilates in deep water, is key to successful pain management for myself. I don’t use any pharmaceuticals only THC and CBD titration.