The recent issue of high times featuring a soil vs. hydro article stated not once , but twice, that “Nobody grows indoors with soil anymore.” I guess I’m an antiquated nobody, but as they say “nobody grows better weed”. LOL. I was slightly offended, but couldn’t figure why a bud porn mag for newbies would make a statement like that? I guess its just a continuation of non=factual shilling for their advertising dollars, like the Cannabis cups from the Dam, (Barneys farm champs OMFG). Anyways, are there any nobodies out there? Feeling isolated spending nothing but time on soil building and getting rave reviews from the chosen few benefactors of my nobodiness. Organic and soil till I die! 15 bucks a gram for advanced nutrient kush these days? Nobody knows better HAHAHAHA.
F*ck that article BS Soil all the way Bro’
Yeah that is extremely not true. The other day when I stopped by my local nursery/gardening center (the one for old white ladies, not the one for men with red eyes), I noticed that they’re now carrying Fox Farm soils (Happy Frog and Ocean Forest), as well as Coast of Maine “Stonington Blend” Super Soil (which, saving you from clicking the link, seems to be for “cannabis and medicinal marijuana”).
The hydro growers I know are, shall we say, profit-driven in their endeavors. The soil growers seem to be more about quality, not quantity. Since recreational use was legalized around these parts, I’d say use of soil is actually on the rise – part of that is just the lower barrier for entry for new growers, but it also seems that weed connoisseurs around these parts are leaning towards organic soil grows 
Anyway, fuck that shitty magazine. I forget what I googled that led me to a High Times article, but it was riddled with typos, grammatical errors, and factual errors. I get it, it’s a magazine about reefer weeds and they were probably high, but have some pride, you clowns: you’re a publication, you should be aiming for organic soil level of quality, not commercial hydro quality 
Yup, I am a soil…(or more accurately soil-less guy)
I have been using ProMix for a long time, and see no reason to change.
High Times is nothing but a huckster publication for the burgeoning Cannabis cultivation industry.
I have not trusted that shill of a magazine for decades now.
That rag is worse than useless, as it preys upon the gullible and inexperienced grower.
For shame!
I used to buy every high times mag. Then i heard some things. Havnt bought on in a while. Miss the centerfolds thoughXD i got a stack of those. But yeah im someone. I grow full hydro. Rdwc with unadvanced nutrients and avid.
Ha! Ha! I’m a nobody! In my experience it seems to go in waves. In a few months they will need a new discussion and organic soil will be in vogue. I can’t justify buying a lot of mags. The info in them isn’t worth the price. To me they are like The Sun or National Enquirer, entertainment only.
I cant take HT seriously. Or its writers.
Terpene quality is better in soil and setup for soil is the lowest when using a premix. Or using homemade ammendments.
I know personally one warehouse running few thousand square feet of growspace running notil with tons of worms.
Yeah, HT really went sideways. The questions of Danko and others involvement with the DEA, feminised seeds autoflowers, rigged cannabis Cups, it goes on and on. From a alt. society rebel mag to an advertizing medium for Monsanto. Seems everyone sells out, if given time. How many ‘expert growing advice’ letters asking how to get rid of spidermites can you print? Anyway I still buy HT for the porn and the odd tidbit on growers, but it is like an adult comic book, and strictly entertainment. There are quite a few mags that went from stoner life to shaming recreational smokers, in favour of medicine. Or should I say advertizing shills for chinese hemp cbd products lol. It’s all fine and dandy until these corporate douchebags turn their backs on what got them to this point, stoners. I know that I am not alone with my soil habit, but really, we all have our preferences and like to play the organic vs. evil planet killer debate on forums, but we all have that thing in common. Love of cannabis. Besides, how is a big ag fertilizer company gonna make a cent off of me? Can’t blame them for trying to minimalize me, Self supporting growers are the real enemy to corporate takeover of the cannabis plant, right???
I’m mostly hydroponic grower but I do agree 100% with soil being superb in terms of quality because it provides naturally most of needed particles (and that is also why I’m big fan of aquaponics).
Just the other day I’ve seen some results of studies comparing vitamins and other vital parts in fruit and vegetables available on market today. It was comparing 80’s studies with today’s data. And guess what - there were reductions about 25% to 75% of vitamins volume during last 30 years or so.
Scientists are pointing out pretty obvious reasons - move from organic to chemical ferts (organics is not returned to soil) and soil erosion…
Bottom line: One of the reasons to go hydro indoors is for me that it is pretty “clean” (no mess with soil), easy to supply (you don’t need to equip yourself with amounts of soil, just few bottles) and can be regulated and treated in “scientific” fashion (using EC and pH meters).
I own exactly 1 issue of HT from the 70’s I prefer plain old greenhouse trade publications full of ornamental flowers. Greenhouse product news… etc. HT is a lifestyle and fashion mag… To dictate to me what growing style is “cool”. is laughable.
Its the kind of thing my friends early 20 yr kid was into when he was living in the garage. Bud porn shots on the wall… etc.
Id like to read the HT story… but nah, I got better things to do. HT is like wearing denim jackets, used to be cool… but not anymore.
It is often best to be a nobody in this game 
Soil does give much better quality than hydro in my opinion and I have used both methods, it just takes a bit more understanding of watering and feeding regimes than hydro in my opinion.
An old freind of mine has the record in UK for the biggest hydroponically grown banana plant, still in guiness book of records to date, but the fruit was crap, as he admitted himself. It was done as a marketing strategy over a decade ago for the company he worked for at the time. But all credit to him he got the record and acheivement.
Now he works for another hydro company as head of research and developement in UK.
My denim jacket isn’t cool anymore? So wearing PJ pants and sandals to town isn’t hip either? LOL at 50 something the only fashion trending I care about is the “I don’t give a fuck what you think” nouveau style. I’ve always liked magazines since comic books in my childhood, but I can remember walking into a headshop in the late seventies. Y’know the stores your parents did everything to evade your childhood questions about. I was astounded at this forbidden incense emitting grotto of (seemingly tolerated) pot smoking hippy/enterprenuers. The magazine rack , of 2 or 3 newsprint type publications sitting with this colorful polished publication with a big huge dank bud of something on the cover. I didn’t buy the mag as mom woulda killed me, but High Times kinda symbolized some kind of freedom and protest lifestyle. Maybe pot smokers weren’t all lazy criminals after all??? I didn’t actually buy my first copy of HT until all my kids were over 18, Saw a cover that said “never buy pot again” thought what the fuck and my lifestyle changed from there on. So the recent article I referenced kinda hit an ironic note with me. The magazine I idolized, proved more valuable as a symbol to me than as a real guide of substance. Should I take my centerfold out of the veg room? The word ‘cool’ is probably my most used adjective but I’ve never cared about trying to be considered ‘cool’ since grade 10, sometime in the last millenium LOL Your comment sent me back to the garage, thanks for triggering the flashback, dude, cheers!
I really like the scientific and technical side of hydroponics as a great benefit to agriculture, and the strides the industry makes for innovation and quality outcomes, but, for myself, I get enough technical analysis and automation at my workplace, so growing with soil and organically is a nice offset for me. The big cannabis production facilities these days have to use (more or less) hydroponic methodry for maximum production indoors. I am under no such pressure to produce, and my soil is used indoors and outdoors in vegetable gardens, so I made a choice long ago to get off the bottle, so to speak. I still buy shitty gmo-laden processed foods , like everybody else, I smoke cigarettes too, but when I take the time to grow or raise something myself, I go as natural as I can. Its a bit like therapy, just as enjoyable as eating or smoking the finished product!
I know exactly what you mean. My freind worked at one of the biggest UK hydropinics manufacturers of its time, still is today I beleive. He could never really grow our favourite herb due to his position at work and his family etc. From time to time mentioning no names cough cough, some one would give him a clone in March and say Here you are R*****d slip this in your mums greenhouse, literally yes at his parents. Then at the time he harvested it we would compare it to the hydroponic comercial harvest of the same strain. By far the better flavours, scents, terps would flow from the soil grown one as opposed to the hydroponicly grwon version. It could just about be matched with hydroponics but only a specail one would do that, not a comercial one, as an example on a small individual hydro system. Not one like this.
It has itsplace like you say, feeding the world is no easy task and hydroponics is starting to become used in much more wider settings EG in high rise growing towers in cities (greenhouses) etc where space is limited.
Never heard of high times, obviously a bunch of XXXX’s
nobody here
Haven’t read an issue of HT since 1982. High Times sells stoner eyeballs to stoner product mongers. Those folks make a lot more money selling manufactured secret sauces and potions than selling good dirt. All you ever need to know about HT.
Ten year hydro grower which saw the scales fall from my eyes when I discovered DWC technique, now strictly soil. Definitely pros and cons to both depending on need, resources, environment and goals. Hydro, in my environments, relatively small footprints, seems to produce more, and larger, buds. Hydro, properly dialed in, requires less daily attention. Less bug issues too, mainly fungus gnats and thrips.
Soil delivers better tasting, better smelling, and more “natural” product - and by natural I mean both in terms of non-organic inputs and plant development. Soil grown plants lack that buds-on-steroids look and growth pattern that hydro plants jacked up on 1400 ppm TDS nutrient solutions have. And I sleep better knowing me and my peeps are smoking dirt, sand, sticks and leaves rather than metal salts brewed in petrochemical facilities.
I’d also say (and this is true of HT throughout it’s history, of being always a bandwagon-jumper and never a leader) that it’s soil technique that is seeing the innovation and resurgence of interest in canna growing, while hydro technique has stagnated around techs developed ten and twenty years ago. In Northern California, most of the top growers are 100% committed to soil or soil-less mediums with organic nutrient teas. Hydro is purely for the production guys, and even they are increasingly switching over as the dispensaries insist more and more on all-organic product, which is more or less impossible to do well in traditional hydro setups - aquaponics fans notwithstanding.
-b420
So, @Baudelaire, would you use “organic teas” in a soil-less medium, i plan on doing canna coco, and they sell their nutrients that go with them, but i don;t want petrochemicals in my weed or anywhere around me or my family. So, would you use coco with tea? Or, just foxfarm dirt or something…
And in my opinion, HT is a retail magazine, close to the brochures you get in the mail trying to sell you useless junk…
Somebody say high times isn’t the best.
Just to warn youif you didnt all ready know most of the times I have had Canna soil or coco it has come all ready infested with fungus knat, its a great product you just need to buy some predators to put in and kill of the knat larvea
Back to the thread topic says im no body, I know a lot of growers who wished they were not known ie nobodies.
I myself used to get pestered and pestered to do grows or consult for people doing grows when I stopped growing myself, the usual comments of we cant get anything as good or anywhere near to what you used to do.
This ended up in me been not kidnapped but held against my will or they attempted to once. I was got to a place under false pretences to help them design the setup of the room after many failures or just outright bad harvests. The beep beep beep bloody fing b**stards threw me into a cellar with no ladders or steps to get out. I had to wait for the door to open, pull the other guy in and fight for my freedom. But obviously I dont know how to grow according to @Ganja.
Damn, that sounds like something right out of “Breaking Bad”, too many people who are useless in this world. Those are the ones doing those things, the “good for nothing type”. So sorry about that, what a bizarre story man.