The plant that continued to throw white pistils. Sounds like some gang stuff lol. I out one Starlite off to the side. It was gonna get flipped until I discovered pests. When it rains it pours. Good and bad.
I can’t wait to be able to breed properly. Maybe I’ll have some stuff worked out to push further along. Something that’s mine and I can be proud of. I commend you on running what you really enjoy. It seems that’s when we’re at our best. Be safe bro.
Alright, here’s where we’re at in the Veg tent.
). Man, I think what everyone says about GreenHouse is right, I mean the plants are good but I bought a 5pack of fems for like $7/seed and I got two plants out of it… The rest never even popped really.
Anyways, the Maui Wowie is the bigger one up front and to the right, she’s looking mighty Indica leaning to me, hoping for that monkey paw or fist pheno I hear about on these 
All the PNL2’s are in the back. They’re some fairly fast growers, stems getting THICC, and definitely hungry. I haven’t fed anything yet as the top growth is still looking good so I’m hoping it’s just issues left over from the solo cup and they’ll grow out of it. I’m at least prepared for flowering so should be good by the time I get there. Still a few weeks out from sexing. They’re all working on the 4th node now, when they get to 6 nodes I’m gonna top all 6 of them for clones and we’ll go from there.
Yeah, everything just exploded a couple days after I transplanted. Plants are looking WAY better than they were in that first round of pics. I took a good look at the PNL2’s two nights ago, when I watered, and I definitely noticed the thickness of the stems. That’s a good sign. To me, at least. No floppy BS, hopefully. I also noticed that the internodes are fairly wide, but I think that may have had something to do with the transplant. I expect them to tighten up soon.
One of the PNL2’s is staying pretty short, but the other three are bushing out pretty good. It’s hard to tell from your pics what exactly they’re doing haha, but I’m sure they’ll grow out of whatever it is that may be bothering them. I’ll take some pics in the next day or two (better pics than the last round) so we can compare and contrast.
Oh nice! Mine are getting there 
But yeah, I’m not expecting very floppy plants, if at all, with NL2 and Widow in the genes. Those two are usually pretty sturdy unless the buds get huge and yea, these are some fat stems for being so young 
I think the two on the right and the one in the back left are definitely the fastest, or tallest, of the bunch. The back left one’s top leaves don’t look all splotchy like they did a week or so ago so maybe it was just nute issues in the pot and it’s slowly growing out of it. Just been watering at PH ~6.3 every couple days.
Definitely looking forward to your pics, real nice having something to compare too ^^
Think I’m seeing a whole 3 amber trichomes on this plant so far, including the sugar leaves 
So I think that bud back-building technique definitely works @oleskool830 
Going to have to remember to do that on all the cola’s from here on out.
Check these tops out
And some lower buds
Hey brother, thanks for the beans! I have been following avidly and want to run an idea by you.
You are pushing for more haze on your FLC and your #5NLxH x SS.
I was thinking, (happens occasionally 
) I have Lefthand’s Everyday Haze
Panama Haze x (Panama Haze x Malawi Panama).
I’m thinking running the EH, save some pollen from the best male (or two) and then run FLC and then #5NLxH x SS grows - selectively hitting some females.
Any special phenos I should be keeping an eye out for?
Cheers
G
Yeah this is definitely something I’ve thought of. I have some EH too and just not sure what I want to do with it yet.
On the FLC, I really just haven’t seen enough of them to really know yet. I only had the one plant up until now and haven’t really gotten into the seeds I made yet. Only checked germination and then tossed as I don’t have room at the moment.
The FLC Mom resembled my #5 NL girl with less blades on the leaves and no double serrations. Same overall christmas-tree structure though. She put out kind of a mix between the big kushy golf/baseball sized buds and the longer cola’s the #5 girl puts out, and they smell like lemon, cheese, and sweet.
So I would look for plants with thinner sativa looking leaves with 7 blades, no double serrations. Lemon/citrus + dirty feet scents. That should be the FLC.
Anything with 9-11+ blades will likely be more nl5haze leaners and anything with fat indica leaves will likely be more nl5/SensiStar leaners, both of those phenos will take longer to flower. FLC was done in 8-9 weeks but the NL I used for the male in the cross is taking ~12 weeks.
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The NL5HSS’s from Mel Frank, I think were already F3’s+ by the time I got them, so my “F2’s” might technically be more like F4’s+. There isn’t really much uniformity in them other than height and there is definitely specific pheno’s in there. The #4 seed vial should have more of a variation of the whole strain, while the #5 seed vial should be more nl5haze leaners than anything assuming math and statistics are a thing.
For these I look for the plants with 9-11+ bladed leaves with double serrations(usually midway up the leaf), with spicy/peppery + hash scents. Those should be the NL5/Haze leaners with a nice old-school, clear, daytime high. These seem to be a little shorter in height/closer nodes and are a breeze to grow. They usually do not need any support whatsoever. I rarely needed to leaf tuck or defoliate, everything was already in the perfect place.
If you want an indica, more medical style high, look for plants with fat 5-7 bladed leaves no double serrations, metallic + rotten fruit scents. These should produce very big kushy buds with a relaxing old-school, clear, couch-lock inducing high. These should be the NL5/SensiStar leaners. SensiStar specifically is known for the metallic terpenes. These plants seem to be a bit taller and a bit more finicky to grow. They do need some support (yo-yo’s) starting about halfway through flower. This one does need a little leaf tucking or defoliating.
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All the phenos were that standard Christmas tree shape and all are super easy to clone. The leaves differentiate themselves on healthy plants in this(NL5HSS) strain by node 4 or 5 or so. So shouldn’t take longer than a month or so of veg to find the pheno’s you’d wanna work with. Of course, there’s always a chance for some with a mix of all of these in there so YMMV.
That’s great info, thanks!!
Your summation really lays out a great map.
Off the top I see I need to reverse the order of the FLC and #5NL grows. You have also given me better insight on what direction to take with the #4NL.
Thanks & Cheers
G
Hey bro. I’m gonna find a female from the FLC bx. Is there any phenos to be on the lookout for? Anything special. I was scrolling through some strains. That stuff looks potent and thick. Exodus Cheese and Lemon Haze? Just wondering.
You’ve grown it so it’s better to get the info from the source. Any funky stem rubbings and have you found and crazy phenos? Sorry for the 21?'s. I’m looking for funky terps. That’s why I like Garlic Cookies so much. I got a grape GMO that’s fuckin nasty. . In a great way.
Have a good one. Keep up the good work. Be safe dude.
Hey I saw Vision Genetics. I have some NL’s from them. That stuff looks good. I believe I have some AK49 as well in here. Looks great.
2 posts up bro, broke down about as much info as I can. If I think of more I’ll fill it in further.
Believe the FLC and both NL5HSS had spicy stem rubs. I find it a bit harder to separate stem rub smells I still have the mom, and her sister is coming up now so we may get to see two phenos of it soon. If I can get a better rub I’ll let ya know ^^
The #4 NL5HSS had some funky fruity terps, metallic rotten/fermented/putrid… fruit.
I had good luck with the Russian Snow(AK49 x White Widow) from Vision. It’s some of the better looking herb I’ve had and potency is up there. Would prefer a cherry AK instead of the woody pheno, but its still good stuff. Plant was a beast. Still got a couple seeds left of it but don’t think I’ll grow it again.
Cat hairs 4 added calcium LOL
Looks AMAZING mister Holy
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I also took my big(~1.5ft) NL5HSS #5 mom and repotted her solo cup into a DIY Hempy bucket type thing to experiment with:
I filled the bottom 2-3 inches of a 1gal fabric pot with perlite
put in the soil transplant from the solo cup
filled in the rest of the space with more perlite
topped off with my non-amended soil mix
Then took a half gallon tupperware container, put a hole in it ~2.5" inches up the side about where the roots start in my transplant, and filled it with a hydro solution and set the pot in it. Bam, DIY hempy pot.
Hydro solution is (1gallon):
1ml/ArmorSI
3ml/GH CaliMagic
3/4 tsp Maxibloom
PH 5.5 - EC 1.05
See what happens. I’m sure I’m going to need to block out the light from the “res”, but hoping it’ll let me use nutes and give some faster growth without having to do full dwc or E&F.
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Everything else still coming along…
Cut a day 77 tester off the NL5HSS#5 that’s still flowering. Seen like 1 amber per bud so far and still a good ~20% clears. Could chop now but still too soon imo. Going to wait until at least day 80, maybe 83 or longer, we’ll see, but she’s close!
PNL2’s/MWCB are 29 days old, working on the 5th node. No signs of gender yet. Flipped the lights to 18/6 from 24/0 to hopefully help get a bit more stretch out of them and maybe help with sexing.
Would it be wrong to flower out the PNL2’s and chop anything that doesn’t have purple bud? 
Definitely been thinking about it… but then again, I may not mind having a NL2 Pheno around
@deep_rob has NL#2 but says he’s worked it towards the thai side, I don’t know how that’s possible if NL#2 carries no thai/Hawaiian. It would be nice to have some NL#2 to play with.
Dude must be magic or something. Or massive misprint 
Would definitely be nice to have some pure NL2 tho…
I may have something up my sleeve soon 
. Keeping my 
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Picture Time from the Veg Tent!
NL5HSS #5 Round 3
she looks alright tho, that’s what 4mo under a 25w led will do to ya.FLC #2
Goji OG F3 #7
Maui Wowie Cherry Bomb
Purple NL#2
For the record, I do not like the polyester/plastic bags. I transplanted the MWCB into a fabric pot after these pics, the roots weren’t bound or anything and contained almost the whole bag of soil, but it wasn’t optimal and watering was annoying. Felt about the same with the AirPots when it comes to watering. Definitely preferring the fabric pots over everything else so far.
I think he ended up working the line towards a NLD side of the Kush/Afghani in NL#2.
Yeah that’s what I was thinking only way I could see thinking “thai/hawaiian” in there since it’s not the traditional afghani you’d think of.
I know you’re joking (I think haha), but I’d keep everything around. The only experience I have with NL2 is from those Big Sur Nigerian/NL2 testers I got from Bodhi. And it was fucking spectacular weed. Very strong, psychedelic and had a lot of healing properties, too. I gave it to a friend of mine to give to his dad, who has a lot of health problems, and his dad said it made him feel so much better. Said it was some of the best weed he’s ever smoked as far as just a cure-all for all of the health shit he’s been going through for the last few years.
I dunno if that came from the NL2, the Nigerian or if it was the result of hybridizing the two. But I’d keep everything around.
I still have two or three seeds of that cross, too…
way back in the 70’s when i first had northern lights it reportedly had thai in it, who doesn’t know, can only guess.
Hope you find the paw pheno, i am originally from Mich. Paw was the most consistently good smoke i have ever had. Wasnt loud or super tasty but the buzz was on point
