No no no… that’s a jalepenotype not to be confused with a habanerobrid…
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ahm. i asked alot about anwsers how to preserve a Strain AS IS. rarely did i get just " a book" recommended. or i got a book recommended with medel laws, multiple times… i dont think such studies exist like with a conclusive anwser.
here comes the point. i care alot about preservation, and i never had the time of reading the very very rare tips that i found even close to adressing the topics. so,
im still orientating myselve what are the factors at play. i actually hunt genetics, that first priority, i actually work on a project, unrelated to anything. why are you even judging me, i dont get it. You laugh about copper, i know copper doesent belong in soil or whatever, i dont care… i speak about principles, you speak about death of all landraces, you did,so, very unambitious imho…
so next time you have complaints, then speak up, but with explonation that one can actually understand- atleast i suggest you do that. no problem with that.
i dont even know if you adressed me, otherwise sorry.
man whats going on,
You have it and you have been answered on all counts but you have not been quiet enough in your mind to hear it. I’ll say it again.if a trait that has a gene frequency of one half of one percent requires 2000 plants then a trait that occurs at a 5% frequency requires 200plants for fuck sake I can not make chicken salad out of chicken shit your genotype need meet me halfway 
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i dont read such unconclusive language. so bye
Yeah it’s not my job to spoon feed any of this crap to any of you.
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Get off your asses and pick up a book
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That is a more challenging thing then most people will ever understand. The spectrum and all the different skill sets or lack of that come along with it are really a strange thing.
So if I got a “Pheno” specifically a " Myrcene Pheno", then I s1 that particular “Pheno” do I still have a “Myrcene Pheno” or has it changed chromosomally to be more in “tune” with its seed bearing §arental line?,
hey, i didnt mean that i want any eplonation about anything…
i meant to say, when you just said, oh the copper, hahah, that you either explain something so i can learn, or you dont say anything at all.
Of corse you can just say, haaha, so dumb. it im not really complaining
but yeah.
I am an average guy, I am not some god. Ffs pick up a book so we can talk.
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You are describing a plant. A vining vortex pheno is a pheno or an orange white widow is a pheno. And not necessarily would you have the same pheno from a selfing…it would be extremely unlikely that all selfed plants would produce offspring that are ALL of the same pheno.
Edit: @TomHill also describes an emerging method of preserving an exact genetic copy, in seed form, of a clone only plant. 
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The outcome is not the same on a seed to seed basis or strain to strain, you would need to make the s1s grow several out and then you would know roughly what percent if any have the desired traits.
This is why testing offspring is more valuable then predictions and plant breeding math. In the end the plant does what it wants and you won’t know till you grow it out and get some real data.
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whats the point. if i asked people for knowlede about what im ACTUALLY interested in, so why should i as a bizzy freking bizzy man, just pick any book, with mendel laws… i picked robert clarks yawning dna analysis. good info, but very tirening to read.
i read how soil works, lives,
i read some stuff a bit.
but im just wondering what book describes me the truth about a given Landrace (Thai, whatever) how to keep it going… so i dunno, i have other stuff to do as reading mendel laws, cause it just doesent sound like very suited to give me the overall view on how to preserve stuff and copy the Genetics forever.
i spent many time actually finding that magical book,
i am orientating man, and actually doing other stuff. so. can i be allowed to add my comment without beein made a clown. and i dint speak english perfectly. today had much stuff, headache now. good night.
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To preserve your thai – clone, clone, tissue culture, seeds. You need proper storage facilities, money to keep those facilities operating indefinitely…and lots of beer 
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If you refuse to read then what are we even doing here man. I read what you wrote.
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There is a huge difference between a quest for knowledge and trying to wrap the whole world around your limited understanding.
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yes, and i stated wich part is a hypothesis and not based on knowledge.
i also put a “its my oppinon” on everything , almost everything. this time i called it hypothesis, wich has a similar meaning. good nicht
I appreciate those things I sincerely do. In fact I appreciate these garage band type hypothesis more than most so called solid science. Are you really the guy who thought it was my job to give him multi environment vetted clones lol? Are you high?
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What is the end goal ? To preserve the traits in seed form I’m assuming. The more you run the better idea you will have of what your working with, save each generation or cross so if things get screwed you can take a step or two back. Some things will align they way you want , sometimes they won’t. Plants that seem very similar or almost identical will be different on a genetic level still and over time the more the genes are given a chance to reorganize the more they will . Things tend to either become locked in or lost, the problem is not locking in bad traits that were not seen before with the good ones , recessive pairing brings weird things out that otherwise may not be seen.
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