International Grow Group Thoughts

Over the last couple weeks, I’ve discussed starting an international growers collective with a few of the people here. Something small that takes advantage of forums like OG and platforms like Discord, that provide translation services and allow us to interact without the barrier of a foreign language. I want to touch on a couple subjects and apologize, in advance, for the length of this post (s).

A hundred years ago people across the planet grew and used Cannabis in peace. It’s flower, seed, and fiber had been crucial in the development of civilization.
Until the richest country, the U.S., arbitrarily declared it a harmful drug and it’s users criminals, and then pressured or outright coerced other nations into adopting it’s policies - waging war on the plant and it’s proponents.
But through the campaign of lies; the truth and the plant prevailed. Fast forward a century of injustice -today, 1 in 25 people on this planet has tried Cannabis and there are a million users spanning every corner of the globe.
Over the last few decades the U.S. has been slowly reversing it’s policies state-by-state.
But the damage has been done. There are no reparations for the people who had their lives destroyed. The plant is not going back to the small farmers and third-world countries it was stolen from.
Perhaps the greatest injustice of all is the fact that the places where this multi-billion dollar crop grow the best are also some of the most impoverished: India and the middle-east, Africa, SE Asia, Mexico and S. America, the Caribbean -all places where people are struggling to survive.
And, despite the fact I live in a “legal” American state, in a region synonymous with weed, it’s far from legal -even for me.
The limit here is 6 mature plants per household, pending the property owners approval. An employer can fire you over it -doctors deny an organ transplant, the list goes on. And, of course, interstate shipping and commerce is banned entirely.
So, while it is technically ‘legal’ licensing costs and requirements have effectively regulated craft growers out of existence. The few of us left generally operate in the quasi-legal ‘medical’ grey areas.
The hope of mirroring the wine industry -Humboldt and Mendocino becoming the new Napa and Sonoma of Cannabis -never had a chance of fruition. Instead these areas, the “Emerald Triangle” is undergoing a historic depression not seen since the end of the logging and fishing industries.
The ‘legal’ market is a racket controlled by capital investment groups and corporate finance; product quality has declined and we are losing valuable genetics. Consumers are completely undereducated and have no idea any of this is happening.
I am new to forums and joined OG Spring of this year. There is tons of great information and people and projects but…
I do think it might be useful for some of us like-minded individuals who have been impacted in the same way to start a collective that offers support, resources, and information; that functions like a small town with neighbors helping neighbors, but… you know… virtually, across the World.
The OG forum is great and, in itself, already provides a lot of these things, but I’m skeptical if it does enough for all the other countries and places decimated by the “War on Drugs”.
How is it possible (for example) for so many of us to have “Overgrown” our own governments, and yet we still have large groups of members from countries like Brazil, with little to no option other than growing seeds from commercial brick cartel weed? Or, maybe waiting for a random person to drop a random strain on a “Dibs” thread dedicated to memes.
As a smaller group, we can help address these inequities.
Clearly, time, space, access to strains-not to mention local laws and regulations are a challenge for all home growers, but especially those of us struggling financially.
And, while the overwhelming majority of people here are casual growers, I think there are also a couple of others, like me, who are pretty serious about their “hobby” and would like to provide more by doing it, or, at the very least , become more self-sustainable.
Personally, I plan on moving over the next 18 months or so, to a more rural property where I can breed indoor, add a greenhouse, and set up a tissue culture lab.
And it definitely makes sense to me, that by cooperating with others in a similar situation, we could take on bigger more long-term projects.
By building on some of what OG already does: by experimenting with various strains, in different places, using different styles -comparing notes and sharing information along with resources like seeds, clones, pollen or equipment we can be more successful individually.
For me it is an opportunity to do “Jah Work” to preserve and protect the future of Cannabis by helping assemble a comprehensive “strain library” for not just this, but the next generation.

I think most groups function best as a “democracy”, so early participants would have to help define the exact “mission” and decide on a name buy yeah…let me know what you think.
@Virga @GnomoGrower @jardineiroKodama @Gu4i20
Any kind of input or feedback or criticisms welcome, you guys. I’ll draw up a rough mission statement as an example and post it next.
Thanks

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“Global Ganja Growers Guild… is an international group of Cannabis cultivators working towards regional reforms and economic independence.
We seek to empower one another by providing access to a genetic collection and natural growing methods or “recipes” that can be adapted and modified to work anywhere in the World; as well as the modern procedures for harvest/ drying and post-processing.
4G is guided by the “Each One Teach One” principle. We are struggling farmers dedicated to helping one another through self empowerment and giving back to the community.
We believe no consenting adult should be denied access to Cannabis and do not discriminate based on: race, age, gender, nationality, or economic status.”
U know, something to that effect.
Maybe discord next, so we can start making plans for future repo’s, decide what strains to collect, etc…
IDK. Let me know if you’re interested.

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I like it!

OK, I was thinking about Brotherhood of Eternal Love 2.0 but that would still have some negative baggage… :wink:

Cheers
G

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Brother, I agree with every point and aspect you described. The prohibition of the plant—after hundreds of years of beneficial use, from medicine to fibers and ropes used in the great naval explorations that eventually led to terrible imperialism and colonialism in less fortunate regions like Africa, Asia, and South America—is a tragedy.

Brazil played a significant role in this. One of the foundations of global prohibition was a speech by a Brazilian congressman at an international forum, where he spread lies about the plant’s effects and usage. Not to mention the racism, and the lobbying from the cotton and nylon industries…

It deeply saddens me to see that countries like Brazil—with vast, flat land and soil capable of growing all kinds of crops—could easily be the number one exporter of cannabis-derived products, generating billions in taxes to improve healthcare, education, and social programs for the entire population.

This is a country with one of the largest alcohol industries in the world—Ambev. You can freely walk into a store, buy alcohol, drink it all, and die. But you can’t medicate yourself or use a plant… even though, in cases of abuse, cannabis poses no risk of death.

Here in Brazil, the only legal way to grow is through a medical license and a habeas corpus—a document issued by a judge authorizing cultivation. But that can cost anywhere from $500 to $3,000 in a country where the minimum wage doesn’t even reach $265.

My only disagreement is about OG. Personally, I’ve had access to quality genetics and met people who are truly engaged in the history and distribution of seeds. The forum, being in English, still presents a major barrier for most Brazilians—who, in general, don’t grow because they don’t know how, and also don’t speak English.

But those who actively seek information about the plant and eventually discover Overgrow are blessed with good genetics. Of course, we can’t say that everyone from countries with limited access will benefit, but it’s definitely a powerful way to connect people.

I discovered the forum earlier this year and have already been blessed with some seeds. I’m currently in my first grow cycle using genetics provided by OG.

Creating a group or even a dedicated thread focused on reproduction and distribution to less fortunate countries would be amazing. We could start something truly beautiful.

And while Overgrow has technological and language barriers, I understand that those who do have access to the forum are already more fortunate than the average person. But through them, we can reach others who may not be as engaged or passionate about the plant.

I’ve already started sharing clones with friends and created a WhatsApp group to help them with questions. I now have five friends growing!

My college thesis was about the history and uses of cannabis! I love talking about it.

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All about that boel love, Bredda. Thanks @Gpaw

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@Virga we are definitely on the same page here. I do want to be clear: I’m in no way trying to detract from what OG does here. OG, the people here, is what inspires me to do things like this. I’m simply saying that the platform is designed largely by its users. The website itself doesn’t help people, the individual members do, and if there are less advantaged people here, it’s up to us to address the iniquities. And for those of us who are aware of what life is like in a favela, or a ghetto or the middle of the sticks, we should make sure everyone has access to what they deserve. Not have to struggle unnecessarily because of where they’re from.

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For sure, brother that’s the way to go! Always sharing knowledge and genetics with those less fortunate and beginners. Let’s unite and plant the ghettos!

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I am inside brother @FyahSelecta, I am grateful to have met you and for this amazing overgrow forum with so many good and generous people.

I am a beginner, but I am here to add up and learn always, helping and being helped.

I live in the interior of one of the poorest states in Brazil, I am not poor, but I am not rich either, the ban here is very tense, in law we can only have 6 female plants, and the law began at the end of last year, so everything is still very obscure regarding this decriminalization.
We cultivate in fear of complaints from neighbors, smell spreading far, racism from many and sometimes even from our own family, but the love of the plant is greater and the passion for cultivation has been discovered.

So, against everything and against everyone, let’s cultivate!

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Hell yeah Bredda. Look into any kind of medical provisions, that may allow you to cutivate more plants. I think it’s actually a better idea to decriminalize herb than legalize because then the government starts regulating shit. I’ll get back to you with more info over the next week or two. I want to repo DJ shorts potent and productive fruity kush line and piff coasts midnight mass but there will be some other strains to choose from. I’ll let you know.

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Yes brother, this month I will start the online course on medical cannabis at the Federal University of São Paulo (UNIFESP). In this course I will obtain a certificate, a document necessary to obtain a habeas corpus of cultivation by legal means.

I will also move to a rural property, near the city, this or next year, so I can grow more plants, I cannot design with only the 6 decriminalized plants, I intend to learn about crossbreeding, extractions, medicines and everything else, it will be a long journey, I am excited.

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Cannabis is arguably the first plant humans cultivated (in this case moving and spreading), documented as far back as about 10,000BC.
Initially it was a good food source but it then became an important source of fiber (in quick succession I would think).
In the era of sailing ships it policy that hemp was cultivated wherever they could grow it as it was so vital to logistics (a large ship used 10 miles (16 Km) of ropes of all sizes), to that end American farmers were producing enormous amounts during WWII.
Prior to that there was the great depression in the 30’s which caused enormous market turmoil after the crash. Part of the exercise of putting the economy back together was exploring new markets and one of those was making cheap paper out of hemp (alternate for newspaper). This quickly came to the attention of William Randolph Hearst. He was busy at that time re-building his newspaper empire. One of his investments that he had managed to hold onto was vast timber rights on the west coast.
One must keep in mind that this person had built his first news empire on what the Brits call “tabloid news” and was big in politics.
Well, in no time at all the government went from ‘looking for new markets for hemp’ to Reefer Madness and the Marihuana Tax Act 1937. :smile:
As a patent medicine drug ingredient that can be traced to about 1900 in the US. I’m sure the Brits had it earlier… :grin:

past history for context…

When you sit back and look through a ‘large history of time’ perspective the first thing that crosses my mind is " how dare these governments stick their nose between people and ‘the first plant’… 10,000 years of interactions are now forbidden ??

I best stop here… :rofl: :+1:

Cheers
G

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Beautiful story @Gpaw , OG is also knowledge and culture. A plant that brings so many medicinal goods, family culture, people who have had their quality of life improved unimaginably due to the medicine, be banned because the state wants it, is revolting. From my life, what is good or bad I choose, damn the state.

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This is why I wont start, lol. :face_with_symbols_over_mouth:

Right on @FyahSelecta. Very well written! :slightly_smiling_face:

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We have to at least be commonlaw by now.

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No @Foreigner in the international thread, please.

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Foreigner: present in 20 countries at the same time. Well, my seeds are at least.

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Yes, I. Exactly. A fucking fundamental part of our evolution as a civilization. I really appreciate the extrapolation of the history of the plant. I sometimes forget how educated the people here are… and vice versa… how uneducated this generation of consumers are. Any time you feel like riffing, Bredda, go right ahead. In addition to being knowledgeable you are a very competent writer and a pleasure to read.

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@jardineiroKodama Yes, I!!! I know exactly what you mean. I actually took my phone into the other room and read your post out loud to my wife and she, literally, wiped tears from the corners of her eyes. I really appreciate the response. Thanks, Bredda.

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Thanks @blowdout2269. I understand. I had to stop myself from veering into an epic rant. The only thing longer than the list of uses for cannabis is the amount of injustices committed against it.

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Yah man. That’s absolutely fantastic. Not only have you provided seed but personally assisted in the outcome. Your definitely doing Jah work, Bredda. @Foreigner Much respect, Boss.

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