KiMatinho's Grow

[KiMatinho]

Day/Phase: All at Veg Phase, 10 weeks and 1 day(71 days total) all hbs+ck1+ck2
7 weeks and 1 day(50 days) all aks and ck3-ck7

Temperature: 19C
Humidity: 65H

Light Height: 19.68" // 50cm
Light Power Output : 50-60%

PH water: 5-6
Ppm water: 62ppm
Pot Size/Volume:1.84 Us Gallon // 7Liters

Plants Id: Hb#1(Male),Hb#2(Female),Hb#3,Hb#4(Female),Hb#5(Female),Hb#6(Male),Hb#7(Female),Hb#8(Female) Ck#1(Female),Ck#2,Ck#3,Ck#4,Ck#5,Ck#6,Ck#7,Ak#1,Ak#2,Ak#3,Ak#4,Ak#5,Ak#6,Ak#7

Morning fellas, how was the weekend? Mine was alright, family meeting .

Now lets dive into the update itself, the clones started to show some signs of roots around day 9-10 after they were taken, had some issues because the weather was getting hotter(30C), because of that the 15min on/45 needed to be changed to 15min on/15 off, that way some clones stopped getting almost dry(stem zone, the leaves were ok). Another thing that I changed was the silicone “fix” at the lead and borders of the box, was leaking alot after I pulled the lid and the silicone came out of the lid/borders… I applied some stuff that is designed to block dust/wind, but it stops water aswell, didnt fix the leaks 100% but it will work till those clones finish the root development proccess.

The plants that I did lst+lollipop recovered well, will wait till new growth gets to 12" and after that I will top again. The control of water ph fixed the dark green leaves and its now more " light green".

Do yeah, no big update lol, just usual stuff.

[KiMatinho]

Day/Phase: All at Veg Phase, 11 weeks and 2 days(79 days total) all hbs+ck1+ck2

8 weeks and 2 days(58 days) all aks and ck3-ck7

Temperature: 24C
Humidity: 70H

Light Height: 19.68" // 50cm
Light Power Output : 50-60%

Ppfd: Not measured

PH water: 5-6
Ppm water: 62ppm

Ph runoff: Not Measured
Ec runoff: Not measured

Pot Size/Volume:1.84 Us Gallon // 7Liters

Plants Id:

Adults :ak1 and ak6(males) ,ck1/ck3/ck5/ck6(females) ,hb1/hb2/hb4/hb5/hb7/hb8(females)

Clones ak1/ak2/ak3/ak4/ak5/ak7/ ck2/ck4, unknown clone ck1 or hb3 :x bad label

Good evening.

Well, got some clones rooted/transplanted to cups with soil(peatmoss+perlite+coco+worm cast equal parts of each).

Got pissed off with many plants(pain to water them all+ too much crowded) and rip the weaklings+plants that I have cloned already.

Now im with 12 total plants, 9 females, 2 males and 1 unknown yet.

Probably gonna start flowering stage in 2 weeks, still dunno if I will put 2 plants in each 50L fabric pot or just one.

[Joca]

Looking good! That’ll be a good harvest in some time!

[KiMatinho]

Hi there fellas.

Day/Phase: All at Veg Phase, 12 weeks and 3 days(87 days total) all hbs+ck1+ck2

9 weeks and 3 days(66 days) all aks and ck3-ck7

Temperature: 24C
Humidity: 62-65H

Light Height: 19.68" // 50cm
Light Power Output : 50-60%

Ppfd: Not measured

PH water: 5-6
Ppm water: 62ppm

Ph runoff: Not Measured
Ec runoff: Not measured

Pot Size/Volume:1.84 Us Gallon // 7Liters for the growd cabin and 50L each big fabric ones

Plants Id:

CrowdCabin : There is a mix of males and females in this one Hb1(Male)Hb4(Female)Hb5(Female),Hb8(Female, Ck3(?)Ck6(?), Ak 2 and 4 I think(both male)

OtherCabin: Hb2 and Hb7 in the right 50L fabric pot and ck1 and ck5 in the other one… all females here

Last week I noticed pests -_-, like little balls translucent/transparent some with some black spots in their body… russet mites/broad mites I guess, neem oil worked and killed alot of them already(2 times until now, yesterday and last week)… the thing is CKs are the ones that are suffering from those, AKs(both male) and Hbs are fine/not showing signs.

Signs of russets/broad mites and picture of some aphids… it seems I have multiple pests :X

[Not_a_Mystic_man]

That plant looks nasty… the broad mite one… so sad… Is it worth saving that one?
Do you have a IPM protocol for this situations?

[KiMatinho]

Hi @Not_a_Mystic_man , it is indeed nasty , its a mixture of me been lazy + the plant genetics(not pest resistent). I dunno if worth keep those 2, I have this space and they can stay there until I start new seedlings, so they have 2-4 months to recover, if they survive and dont go hermie I plan on crossing those with the best male Hb and Ak that I have and see if I can improve the resistence of those Ck’s, those were the only genetic that show this pests, the others that were near them/touching leaves didnt get any issue hehehe, if you check the initial posts you will see that I complain about those Cks been weakling/getting “upset”/stressed with the same treatment I was giving others(Hb and Ak).

I usually control everything with neem oil and tobbaco “tea” , and it works as long I dont get lazy of spraying the plants and dont neglect them :x

Next round of plants will have “pedigree” and I will invest in some additional stuff to protect them , like Beauveria Bassiana and other fungus that can help. Any suggestion that worked with you?
Another point is that I heard from another Brazillian OG member that the brand of the amendments that I used came contaminated when he ordered from that same brand… the only thing that dont make me think that is this is because just CKs shown this pest weakness.

[Not_a_Mystic_man]

Mites are related to excess nutrition, most cases… I read now your full saga… I think you might have had to much N since the start. Some strains are easy eaters, seems is the case with ck. I like to measure the runoff even with organic soil, as It can tell the average for strain or induvidual plants.
I did save more than one plant using sulfur (enxofre ventilado), for animal feed, really soaking and rubbing the leaves. Also made a jadan sulfur, dissolving it in caustic soda. I’m having spider mites in early flower… used the sulfur once, and now i will go with metarhizium, through mid and late flower.
To defoliate even more, might be to much, but removing infested leaves allows the New grow to have less pressure. I would treat all with bauveria and/or metarhizium, and, if you could, the sulfur.
Maybe try clones, but with less nutrition for them…
But, having already so many good crosses there, this loss might become learning, i lost one strain for that aswell, its part of growing

[KiMatinho]

Good to know that excess of nutes can “call” mites, I usually use the LC soiless(from Jorge Cervantes book and Icmag forum) mixture+amends but this run I tried other formula and didnt like it hehehe, issues with this new formula is that its heavy on nutes + expensive.

I had one Hannah ph meter but it broke after 10 years + hehehe, need to get a new one asap, just need money

[Not_a_Mystic_man]

The recipe is not bad, can be expensive, but not bad. Maybe you could give half to 2/3 of the worm cast in and less than a 1/3 of the bloodmeal in early veg. You could top feed the rest after the 4 node, or as needed.
I believe in the homeostasis theory, trofobiose and biocenose, so the plant can thrive, but with resistence… basically, using this ingredients as exemple, we could apply all mineral based nutrition at the beginning, and less of the organic inputs. Use them for transplanting and top feeding. There is a idea that organic takes time to release its nutrition, but it’s half true. There is plenty of nitrates promptly available.

[KiMatinho]

Day/Phase: 13 weeks and 3 days(94 days total) all hbs+ck1+ck2

10 weeks and 3 days(73 days) all aks and ck3-ck7

Flowering Phase : ck1 and 5, hb2 and hb7, flipped today to 12/12

Temperature: 21C
Humidity: 85H

Light Height: 19.68" // 50cm
Light Power Output : 50-60%

Ppfd: Not measured

PH water: 5-6
Ppm water: 62ppm

Ph runoff: Not Measured
Ec runoff: Not measured

Pot Size/Volume:1.84 Us Gallon // 7Liters for the growd cabin and 50L each big fabric ones

Plants Id:

CrowdCabin : There is a mix of males and females in this one Hb1(Male)Hb4(Female)Hb5(Female),Hb8(Female, Ck3(?)Ck6(?), Ak 2 and 4 I think(both male)

OtherCabin: Hb2 and Hb7 in the right 50L fabric pot and ck1 and ck5 in the other one… all females here

Today I flipped the 50L fabric ppts cabin to 12/12, lets see what happens.

In the crowded cabin I eliminated the plant that was showing horrible signs of mites±aphids, it was recovering but I noticed was one of the Hb’s and I dont care too much about that strain so rip There is another one that shown signs of aphids+mites but its one Ck and its doing well.

Didnt say anything about the mulch… I made a layer of sand above soil and after that one layer of cutted grass.

Since the beggining I just gave plain water, maybe next watering Im gonna add some aloe vera+coconut water(organic one, I have them at my yard)+ epson salts.

Every 3 days Im doing a full spray of neem oil(6ml of concentrated oil in 1 L of water), will keep that in veg and in the flowering tent will keep for more 3 weeks or until start showing budsites.

Clones(some are Aks, others Cks and Hbs… the Cks were a pain to clone they are over sensitive to ferts/my soil and also to root clonines , grrrr

[FyahSelecta]

Good grow. Sucks you have to battle pests. That’s the worst part of growing for me. Just make sure you don’t pass it to the next generation so you can keep looking forward. The way they appeared suddenly and concurrently leads me to wonder if the problem stems from using native soil from the outside in an indoor grow without sterilization.

[KiMatinho]

The pests were before the mulch, I think they may came with other plants I bought from store, like Basil. Also I bagged the grass and let it “burn” in the sun for a week

I kindda live in a far place from city, Im not totally inside jungle but close enough lol… 5 years ago or so I had a red mite infestation that covered all my yard o.0, pests come and go without any intervention(outside).

Never had problems like that before, just here(in this house), previous houses never had them

[FyahSelecta]

Bummer. Good luck. It’s a good learning experience at least. Hang in there.

[KiMatinho]

Boooyaaaa

Time to stop playing nice, those mofo’s(pests) will go downnnnn

[KiMatinho]

Day/Phase: 15 weeks and 1 day(106 days) all hbs+ck1+ck2

12 weeks and 1 day(85 days) all aks and ck3-ck7

Flowering Phase : ck1 and 5, hb2 and hb7, 12 days in flowering

Temperature: 18C
Humidity: 69H

Light Height: 19.68" // 50cm
Light Power Output : 50-60%

Ppfd: Not measured

PH water: 5.7(measured with new akso ph digital pen)

Ppm water: 71ppm

Ph runoff: Not Measured
Ec runoff: Not measured

Pot Size/Volume:1.84 Us Gallon // 7Liters for the crowd cabin and 50L each big fabric ones

Plants Id:

CrowdCabin : There is a mix of males and females in this one Hb1(Male)Hb4(Female)Hb5(Female),Hb8(Female, Ck3(?)Ck6(?), Ak 2 and 4 I think(both male)

OtherCabin: Hb2 and Hb7 in the right 50L fabric pot and ck1 and ck5 in the other one… all females here

Well, what a mess some data from past 3 updates were wrong(age of plants), fixed those… what a shame :x

Another crap that I did is about ph measures… I have one digital pen from hannah brand and was giving me incorrect readings, bought some ph stripes that were also givin unaccurated values -_-… the true is I was been cheap(actually short in money lul) and messed up with my watering ph… resume, I was giving them water with ph of 3.32 or something like that(lower than 4)… This last week I bought a new ph digital pen from akso and this one trully gives me correct readings(the pen matched 100% calibration liquids value, so its working fine).

That said, I also changed the schedule of watering, the ones that are in crowd/veg cabin are receiving 650ml of water with 5.7ph and 71 ppm and been watered every 4 days. The plants in flowering stage are been watered every 8 days with 5.2L each fabric pot with 5.7ph and 71ppm, just plain water with ph down. In 2± weeks I will check run-off ph and ppm too

After few neem oil spray and one round of those beauveria bassiana+metha the pests seems to start lowering their numbers, still have but its much better.

Another thing that I changed was the leds, put both 240w ones in flowering tent and put a domestic/yard 100w led in veg cabin just to keep them alive.

Made some Lst in the flowering ones and some supercropping to control de cannopy.

I think thats all o.0, if I find more mistakes/incorrect data I will fix in future, sorry about the mess :x

[KiMatinho]

Day/Phase: 16 weeks and 2 days(114 days) all hbs+ck1+ck2

13 weeks and 2 days(93 days) all aks and ck3-ck7

Flowering Phase : ck1 and 5, hb2 and hb7, 20 days in flowering

Temperature: 21C
Humidity: 70H

Light Height: 40cm
Light Power Output : 70%

Ppfd: Not measured

PH water: 5.75

Ppm water: 79ppm

Ph runoff: Not Measured
Ec runoff: Not measured

Pot Size/Volume:1.84 Us Gallon // 7Liters for the crowd cabin and 50L each big fabric ones

Plants Id:

CrowdCabin : There is a mix of males and females in this one Hb1(Male)Hb4(Female)Hb5(Female),Hb8(Female, Ck3(?)Ck6(?), Ak 2 and 4 I think(both male)

OtherCabin: Hb2 and Hb7 in the right 50L fabric pot and ck1 and ck5 in the other one… all females here

Well it seems that ph was really messing those plants :x.
They are recovering well from the ph swing and also the pests are gone I think, couldnt locate anything under the leaves(applied those beauveria+ metha once and some days latter neem oil)

Today I located one old bottle of E.M that I have, watered all flowering plants with it… volume? dont know o.0 I just used the bottle cap as measure … put 2 of those in each water jar.

2 days ago I just lowered the period of light from 12 hours to 11… so now its 11/13 and just two plants started to show pistils -_- , hb#2 and ck#1

Also I pumped the light potency+ lowered the leds to 40cm distance from canopy , potency I set something around 70% and not any sign of stress so far.

All the plants that are in flower are females, each of them I saw pre flowers before I choose which one was going to flowering stage… but until now just one shown the pistils , the other are not showing at all -_-, read that mites could stop them from flowering and also maybe the stress of that ph swing could be the reason too. Any experience with that?

Thanks folks and have a nice monday.

Flowering ones:

[KiMatinho]

Mannnn… Hb#7 in flower put his balls off… rip hb#7 -_-

now I will put another plant in his place(already took out his rootball out of the fabric pot) :x

will update as soon as I choose new female to put in his place

[KiMatinho]

Have two candidates hb#8 and ck#6, to be sure that they are females I just moved them from veg cabin to flower one, as soon as they show pistils I will transplant one of them to the big 50L fabric pot

[KiMatinho]

Day/Phase: 17 weeks and 2 days(121 days) all hbs+ck1+ck2

14 weeks and 2 days(100 days) all aks and ck3-ck7

Flowering Phase : ck1 and 5(left pot), hb2 (right pot), 27 days in flowering

Temperature: 22C
Humidity: 65H

Light Height: 40cm
Light Power Output : 70%

Ppfd: Not measured

PH water: 5.75

Ppm water: 72ppm

Ph runoff: Not Measured
Ec runoff: Not measured

Pot Size/Volume:1.84 Us Gallon // 7Liters for the crowd cabin and 50L each big fabric ones

Plants Id:

CrowdCabin : There is a mix of males and females in this one Hb1(Male)Hb4(Female)Hb5(Female),Hb8(Female, Ck3(?)Ck6(?), Ak 2 and 4 I think(both male)

FloweringCabin: Hb2 in the right 50L fabric pot and ck1 and ck5 in the other one… all females here, ck6 and hb8 in 7L pots waiting to show sex, the female will be transplanted into 50L fabric pot that already have hb2 on it

Morning OG’s , watering day, same thing as always, 650ml to those plants that are in 7L pots and 5.1L ± for those in 50L fabric pot. Changed the dark/light ratio again, now is 12/12. All 3 that are in those 50L fabric pots show pistils, now Im waiting for those in 7L to see which one I will put as replacement for hb#7.

The magic is starting:

[KiMatinho]

Day/Phase: 18 weeks and 2 days(128 days) all hbs+ck1+ck2

15 weeks and 2 days(107 days) all aks and ck3-ck7

Flowering Phase : ck1 and 5(left pot), hb2 (right pot), 27 days in flowering

Temperature: 20C
Humidity: 68H

Light Height: 40cm
Light Power Output : 70%

Ppfd: Not measured

PH water: 5.75

Ppm water: 72ppm

Ph runoff: Not Measured
Ec runoff: Not measured

Pot Size/Volume:1.84 Us Gallon // 7Liters for the crowd cabin and 50L each big fabric ones

Plants Id:

CrowdCabin : There is a mix of males and females in this one Hb1(Male)Hb4(Female)Hb5(Female),Hb8(Female, Ck3(?)Ck6(?), Ak 2 and 4 I think(both male)

FloweringCabin: Hb2 in the right 50L fabric pot and ck1 and ck5 in the other one… all females here, ck6 and hb8 in 7L pots waiting to show sex, the female will be transplanted into 50L fabric pot that already have hb2 on it

Night everyone.
Nothing new o.0, gave water today and more and more pistils showing. The 2 plants I moved from veg to flower didnt show anything yet, so still waiting.