Hard to say. There are several old local strains like Santo Miguelito and some new ones from Colombia like Punto Creepie grown in Costa Rica now. So they could be any of several type strains. Or it could have been imported from Colombia. I have some strains from CR and Panama that I have not grown yet. They would not be Mexican in origin though, as the black market trade all went north. Panama Red and lowland Colombian Red were by far the most common strains exported north back in the day (through the 1980s). There were some good landraces from Belize, Honduras and Nicaragua. Other than the ones I got from Costa Rica some years ago now, I have never had any weed from Central America other than Panama Red. Of late everything from Colombia north through Mexico is all modern indica hybrids. Actually that can be said for pretty much any weed worldwide now.
That’s a really good insight. Thanks!
Is Talamanca a Costa Rican landrace? I had some really tasty sativa grown down there when I was on my honeymoon 15 years ago. It was definitely local. Just a great Buzz. Not super high or anything but great quality. I scored some weed but wasn’t able to find any seeds in it. I think you should pop some of them.
You guys have me damn near sprinting to paper towels and a plate to throw some seeds down haha! The enthusiasm on this thread travels through my phone. 15 out of 15 beldia popped. Day6 for the lolab valley with no action. I guess six to ten days is typical, but my temperatures have been on the low end…holding off on malana til just before the next full moon. The descriptions of Mexican landraces are great. They all sound great in their own way. They really sound right up my alley. What a shame they have taken such a hard hit genetically. I haven’t found very many landraces from Mexico, and none that are unworked. Usually s-1s or feminized or outcrossed then backcrossed. It’s too bad modern breeders don’t have these landraces available to build new strains. I had heard how they could manage to finish up north here. Options today are limited to himalayas and south africa for early sativas ( leb, syrian, sinai and morrocan too.) Really just South Africa and nepal for sativa ganja landraces that will finish. ( Beldia too) and please correct me if I’m wrong on that. I’m always searching for sativas they have a chance of finishing in my climate. No strainhunters dare risk running into cartels i guess. I have a friend in Mexico City on the lookout for me. He sees limon verde and oaxacan on occasion. But sightings are as rare as chupacabra!
Man, I loved the Colombian red. Much better than the Gold imo. We used to get so much of both in the early to mid 70’s. I lived in the southeast and the gulf states saw a lot.
Germinating these Syrians was quite a different experience than germinating the Leb27. Nice to be working with fresh seeds. These were all ready to rip – 6/6 score!
Time to expand some syrian my dudes. So curious what will become of these babies…
Can’t wait to see how your Beldia look @Upstate . I only popped two and both are fast growers. I have one that bled deep purple when topped, and has much darker leafs than the other which has a variegated bright green/golden mew
growth. It appeared bleached so I dropped it back a foot from light, Still praying and reaching.
I have gold, red, and black landraces from Colombia. I like the gold as it is more mellow. There were two types of reds. The Punto Rojo red is really speedy and rushy, and a short high to it. That came from the central mountain areas. The northern lowland Colombian Punta Roja red was by far the most common bag weed from Colombia, and that stuff always put me under the table. The black has an insane trippy psycho high to it. They are all hard to grow in a cool temperate climates though. And the landraces have some odd phenotypes. I have had to finish them here under HPS lights, and that gets expensive. I have tried forcing blooms early with light dep, which gets them to start blooming earlier, but they still drag on until December before finishing. Outdoors in California we could get them to finish only in the drought years in the later 1970s.
No strainhunters are going to stomp through those remote regions in west Mexico because of the vast terrain. I have been all through there in SW Mexico and it is so rugged. Steep canyons, high mountains and terrible roads. And there is not that much local weed, really. I used to take weed with me to Mexico as most of it was bunk there. Or was in the 1970s/1980s. The reasons weed is gone from that area is the Paraquat spraying in the late 1970s put the local growers out of business. The hippies backed them in the early 1960s to about 1977, and then moved growing inland to states like Morelos for a while, and then to Northern California. The cartels moved growing north to states like Sinaloa, and they used Dutch and American hybrids. I have heard that it is similar in Colombia now, in that the landraces there are long gone and the local stuff is all Dutch and indica hybrids. Mexican landrace strains are not that strong as a rule. So they were not used much in breeding. There are and were exceptions though. But generally compared to OG Kush and these modern hybrid 20%+ THC strains. They had lighter terps and milder highs. You could smoke a whole joint.
The sativas that I have grown that finish earlier are South African Durban, SW Mexicans, and Lebanese. It is debated if the Lebanese is an indica or a sativa. They throw two phenos, a sativa-like, and a more indica-like. But they finish super early, like by September. Which is great here. The Morocco, Sinai and Syrian strains are said to be early and similar. Greek Kalamata was also early but my Greek friends say it is extinct. Same with Italian Calabrian. Some of the Himalayan ‘charas’ sativas (like Malana) finish in late September to October as well. Later landrace sativa strains that finish in November are northern Mexican, Jamaican lamb, Ethiopian, some Nepalese and Parvati, and Honduran.Thai and all the SE Asian sativa strains finish late, into December or even January. Same with Colombian and Panama landraces, which are genetically related to the SE Asian strains. South Indian Ganja (Idukki) sativas also finish really late, into February. Some tropical African strains can also bloom long and late, like Malawi Gold. Manipuri is similar from east India and can take forever to finish. February?
A compact structure on the Beldias! I’ll be happy to show you what mine look like once they’re worth showing. I miscounted. I had 14 out of 14 sprout. I walke checked on them today and there was a slug 1/3 of the way up one. It seemed to be eating into it from the side so it would tip over and then be engulfed. 13 now I think. 20 minutes earlier and I would have saved it. Cool sap on the dark colored Beldia! I heard of a Hawaiian strain called the blood ( kona gold?)that has red sap very rarely, and I think Bohdi just found one as well that he’s been working on stabilizing. I read it may have to do with low ability to process nitrogen or something to do with nitrogen adsorption issues, but for now they don’t know for sure.
Looking to get my 2 into flower end of month to see what I have. Fastest growing of the whole bunch two topping sprouts are 1-1/2” already.
Great post! I need a heated greenhouse lol. I plan to start some long flowering sativas this year. Yet to be determined which one/s .Grow for two weeks and then force flower by bringing into a dark room daily when they are small and covering them in place outdoors when it is warmer and they are bigger. I’m starting this next full moon or so. If they flower 17 weeks and i start covering them may 21 that gets me to Sept 21st. If anything is not done by then but close, ill do whatever i have to do to finish it. Nights are in the 30’s and 40’s in september. Colombians, se aisan, south indian and anything else over 20 ( 16 more like it)weeks will be a struggle ( they all will lol). I’ll have to do as you did and finish under lights… add heat… pray…anything for love…
Sounds like you have vast experience with these types. I have alot to learn. Glad to know that Parvati strains go onto November for you. I have a couple to try. Any chance at all of finding a finisher at my latitude by oct 15th? We should be at similar latitudes( 42 here and cali /oregon border)
I’ve heard that about colombian black… Sounds fun! (They all sound great really. )I paid too much for gage green colombian black bastard edition. I should have read more about it. He mixed it with all his father breeding stock .Its not pure black. And a couple guys were saying that it isnt very good. Now i dont want to grow it lol.
Thanks, very nice insight. I think I had the trippy red before but mostly what you describes as the put you under stuff… It was very dark red and always very sticky when broken up. I’m sure I saved a lot of those seeds but life happened and no telling where they all went.
I always felt like both the red and gold were most likely also influenced by some local curing methods. I smoked a truck load of all of the old mexi stuff as well as the Colombian later and occasional thai stick.
I agree that when you factor in the cost to finish out some of the sativa it’s almost insane. I have trouble paying for one full run of hybrid plants. I hope I can find some way to manage growing them. I have a couple of ideas.
That’s awesome that is one strain I wanted but was unable to get , I have a few from RSC but not that one I will defiently will be watching
@lefthandseeds did you ever run out the Durban? I am waiting on some canabiogen #1 then I will be running some, should have enough to do male search and Seeds for all 
Here’s a place I never heard of, but they’ve got some monster listings on Strainly, one of which is a “Pure Jamacian Lambsbread Landrace”. They’re $300 but if they were real…
I’ll make more!
I’ve run the cannabiogen Durban, but not the 3-way Durban I made. I think the 3way is going to be perfect for what I like (substantial buds, but not dense). Even hybrid of just the Dutch with a landrace Durban was not sativa leaning enough for me. But I think the CBG will really pull it back toward the sativa side and land it right in the middle, where I like it.
I’d be willing to chip in for a seed run if it’s the real deal…yaaah mon.
Michoacan too…damn, get 11 at 30.00 and someone to take on the breeding… been looking all over for it, info is real scetchy on weather a true LR is still left. Watched a thing on fuse and they had “Ice” and some other hybrid nothing I recognized but were definatly Sativa and seedless , he picked a random bud and rolled it in hand. Bob Marley was supposed to be a fan of the Lambs Breath and a strain called “CooCoo”, (no info) may just be a local name. Also the growers/breeders are mostly Rasta and they all have their own strains (love to get hands on those).
Count me in too. Would love to try that one day myself! Anyone else? Who wants to run them? Any takers?