Sudanese
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Say 
uh bud, do you mind if i post a photo or 2 show ya some of what i been doing?
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Can you reference which Colorado sativa lines were contaminated? Any examples grown out here? IIrC he labeled the bastardized lines as such explicitly
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The big problem was that he wasn’t labeling any of his lines as bastard at the time. if he’s started doing that, that’s at least a step in the right direction so people can avoid all of those.
I think this was pointed out in the 2021, 22 or 23 season. from his photos and description it was clear he kept all the females together in one small greenhouse and pollinated with the branch dusting method or paintbrush method, and had female herms that were allowed to finish in that enclosed space along with the other females.
sloppy practices in general, purity or deliberately made hybrids would be impossible in those circumstances, and certainly there was contamination from the herms as well. unless he has posted photos showing a very different grow method, I would expect everything is still random.
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there are examples. the discussion started with members posting pictures of what should be pure sativas showing blatant broadleaf expressions.
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I’m not trying to be contentious, I’ve had good experiences with his gear reflecting what’s advertised so that’s why I I’m curious as to what instances you’re referring to.
Presuming the examples you’re alluding to are in the CS thread?
It seems our preconceived notions color the expectations a bit. For instance I thought that the Oaxacan S1 would be a pure sat but one needs to keep in mind the cartel influence on genetics in Mexico. Whereas the Punto Rojo from CBG he had seemed to align with NLD Colombian expression. Hawaiian genetics are always tricky because they aren’t guaranteed pure sats.,
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Great points, I respect the skepticism and scrutiny. It seems he’s cleaned things up a bit. The tricky part is that he is the only source for many of the discontinued/rare genetics. I’d rather have a shot, or a chance to try something even if that means it doesn’t pan out. It is painful to be disappointed when your expectations are set, one of the reasons I have a tough time with certain landrace purveyors
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Please 
and thank you 
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Ok everything I received is labeled bastard 
from Colorado sativa so with that said what am I looking at with these strains
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I’m about to pop Colorado sativa Swahili gold but I’m hesitant here till 8 understand what bastards mean then I don’t have pure lineage ? Or is this possible to herm what are the known expectations ? And thank you I got Swahili gold…mother sativa … michocan and I want to say oaxacan
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So grow a good number out n clone the pheno we looking for …of this Colorado sativa stuff well worse case scenario there’s some bad ass genetics in there to work out
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here’s what you can expect from those:
- nothing with the bastard label is a pure line
- best case scenario, an unknown percentage of seeds in those packs matches the label
- you can expect that the label matches the mother plant, but not the male pollinator
- everything with the bastard label has been contaminated by herm females, ratio unknown. so definitely expect to find female herms with viable pollen that will seed your crop if you don’t cull them in time
- even if you find something that resembles what you are looking for, you can’t assume it matches the label on the packs. Everything that comes from these is unknown genetics.
- if you find a stable plant, you can’t assume the offspring from that plant will be stable. it might be a seed from a herm female, and can pass on that herm trait even if it doesn’t display it.
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The big problem is if people are breeding these lines, they are spreading diluted subpar genetics under the name of a strain that is in desperate need of pure preservation.
However you look at it, it’s a detriment to the gene-pool, and a disservice to the history of these lines and their original cultivators
It’s always tempting to get a shot at something rare, discontinued, or otherwise unattainable.
I’d say that it’s acceptable if your growing for smoke only.
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cool heres a cross i made its 70s peshawar x iranian 2000 ascension i call her miss kitty
The 70s peshawar is a pure afghan sativa btw
i have photos if neededAnd i love my “old toby” its a syrian X lebxleb cross i got here from @lefthandseeds , we were talking i was looking for a semi-auto and he was like i got a f1 for ya he said he was using it for a different kinda project . So i pulled a really cool line out of it
I got a few others going too
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Pretty much bro i got a pack of Mullumbimby madness a few years back , not what i expected to say the least and they werent label as bastards either ps but now thanks to OG and the fantastical bunch of folks known as the freakers ball seed collective aka the freaks or “the landrace gang” i got seeds from Australia
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Beautiful 
collection
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Miss Kitty is gorgeous! No other way to put it.
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Yes 
:arrow_up_down: I’ll grow some on the side next season for head stash and see what happens … appreciate the info and the help … definitely love the plants great work that’s Iranian cross 
is perfect
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I can an only agree 
and thank you
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