Landraces of India

Only 7’ so maybe I should stick to 3 weeks max.

Depending on what I get for numbers, Im thinking about flowering the girls indoors, open pollenating for seed and taking clones to flower outdoors for smoke

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Are these Nepalese sativa? If so I’m really curious how they came about, I’ve just assumed that sativa is just an adaptation to cannabis growing in equatorial regions, but Nepal is a long way from the equator… so now I’m confused, would they have adapted as they are in Nepal, or could sativa type plants have been reintroduced back at some stage?

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Not a simple answer. i think you are right that the tropics favor Sativa genetics, but “Sativas” are found all the way to Mongolia actually, not just in the tropics like myself and most others used to think. I’m currently looking at one from 48 north latitude.
In Afghanistan over the centuries, northern sativas from places like Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan andTajikistan were mixed with local broadleaf Afghani strains to make the landraces/ heirlooms many are familiar with today, such as Mazar-e-sharif, Balkhi and Shebergan. Even most Afghani used be be Sativa until the local dwarf highland Afghani from the Hindu kush( what most call Indica ) was mixed into the genepool in more recent years.
Most landraces north of 32 degrees will have Indica and sativa phenos, south of this latitude mostly sativa phenos seem to occur. (Indian Landrace Exchange has been documenting this change in plant chemistry) The Northern Sativa Plants are often tall like their tropical cousins even to 44 north latitude. Real seed company Kazakhstan can get 16+ feet tall. North of here, I’ve found nothing tall like this ( too dry?)but sativa effects are noticed even north of here up to at least 48 north. At some point as we head north, cbd production is favored over thc production until by 50 North we may no longer find thc plants growing uncared for in the wild…( i haven’t found anyone who knows of any, but possibly they exist in Mongolia)and plants are Autoflowers instead of photos Above 48 north( as of today this is the most northerly latitude for photoperiod plants I’ve found)
Nepal is located at 27 to 30 degrees latitude±. And has both subtropical lowlands, and highlands well South of the 33 degree line where changes occur in all plants. Yet Nepal is noted for both Sativa and Indica type plants. I’m sure elevation plays a role here, with high elevation bringing out the Indica traits. We see this in Uttarakand province of India where the highest elevation plants( 11,000 feet) display some indica characteristics such as short plants with thick stems( nanda devi) So we could say latitude and elevation the are two major components of plant genotype and whether they will be sativa or indica. Sorry for the ramble. I’m sure i left important details out too.

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That’s really cool info thanks :pray:, it would be awesome to be able to trace the genetics right back to their origins, I’d expect that the hemp trade would have spread sativa type varieties all over the world for a long time and then they would have naturalised and adapted to the local environment, I wonder if that’s partly why this variation and mix of sativa and Indica occurs in the more northern latitudes?
Do these northern sativa types have the long flowers times like the equatorial ones do and are the chemotypes/effects similar?

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Sativa and indica are terms created by the cannabis community and are realy to vague to accurately describe the different variations displayed within landrace cannabis varieties. The fat giant leafed Indian varieties that stretch and take 4+ months to flower are a great example as are the thin leafed short squat fast finishers. We have equatorial , tropical, arid desert types, highland and lowland varieties of each.

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No, me too

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I received beans from shiv in early december. Hope all of yours come soon :crossed_fingers:

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secound that question

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The eastern Manipur Burma line I have going atm has a reported flowering time of 16+ weeks. They have been on the flowering schedule for two weeks and have not shown sex yet but are starting to tighten up there growth. They were vegged for two months and topped to contain there size. I’m realy looking forward to smoking some true Indian ganja :drooling_face:

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It took month to get here but they showed up

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Short flowering. 8-10 weeks generally above say 37 degrees latitude, up to 12 weeks flowering at 33 degrees.
As far as Effects go, the effect is similar in some ways to Tropical sativa type highs in my limited experience. If i had to distinguish between the two I’d say the Tropical high is cleaner and longer lasting. Must be other cannabinoids at play that are favored only by strong equatorial sunshine and high elevation mixed.
Looks wise they are similar to their tropical cousins. Branchy, tall, slender leaved, though not quite so slender.

It looks like cannabis is originally from the Northern regions of Xinjiang maybe. I won’t guess where Exactly because new info comes out frequently. Indica and Sativa phenos helped plants better deal with wetter and drier years, each year favoring one or the other. As the plants were moved to new climates, sometimes this climate favored only Sativa traits.( wet tropics) and other times Indica traits( Hindu Kush). In many places it still benefits the plant to have both.

Agreed. For now it helps to keep it simple until there is universally accepted terminology. There is still too much disagreement.
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Are the effects of Kashmiri more indica or sativa? I know there are probably as many variations as there are valleys or microclimates, but what are the effects like in general?

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Da Bhuti x5

they are growing fast now

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Such a large country with such diverse geography is basically an evolutionary factory. You can find tropics, tundra and everything in between all within 100 miles of each other there. That’s cool. The sort of isolation that comes with rugged mountains and precipitous geography lends itself to variations within species, eventually leading to new species. The Congo river is the same way. It’s 2900 (4700 KM) miles long, up to a mile (1.6 KM) wide and up to 700+ feet (213 meters) deep. Researchers find new species there all the time. It seems the same way with cannabis in central and south Asia. Two valleys can be a few kilometers apart, but can have completely different flora and fauna. I’ve never been there, but I assume it’s similar to the Peruvian Andes (where I have been). I traveled from Lima to Cusco by vehicle a few times and the precipitousness of the mountains and valleys astounded me every single time. In the space of about 3 hours, we went from sea level (we were looking at the ocean) to over 10,000 feet (about 3300 meters) on the first leg of the trip. The next one, we went over a mountain pass that was something like 15,000 feet (just under 5,000 meters) and were in a tropical valley within about 2 hours. It was strange going from a very cold place (with permafrost even) and extremely sparse vegetation to a valley where they were growing oranges and bananas in such a short time.
TL;DR: The extreme geography of central Asia lends itself well to new variations, sub-species and even new species.

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Kashmir effects are variable. There are both indica and sativa type highs. Worcestershire Farms version has the best sativa effects

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Thank you. My goal is to make a pure sativa hash one day, preferably dry-sieve.

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Do you have a link?

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Lol. I like booty, but it’s Bhuji( booji):grin:

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I’ve been on OG for 2 years and I can’t figure out how to do a link.

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Ok got it thanks. Seems like a unique plant so far. Very sativa but I see some fat leaf on one of the phenos. Well see wat happens.

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