🙃 Learning things along the way

Hello everyone :slight_smile:

The reason for opening this thread is exactly what the title says. I spend quite a bit of time on overgrow.com—scrolling, reading—and then I forget what I’ve read…
I need a way to do this more effectively.

But first, let me show you what I have in the box. I have shitty camera, but…
All plants are 24 days on 12/12

5 x Frankenstein by @JohnnyPotseed






7 x Satori by Mandala Seeds








2 x Double Durban Thai by @Guitarzan

2 x Dead Whabbit by @santero

5 x Cobra Lips F2 by @Budderton

The space is 9 x 4 with two Mars Hydro FCE 800W lights.

The plants are healthy, but I can’t cram them all in there together anymore. I learned that lesson long ago, but I never seem to apply it. I always overdo it. OK, I have some kind of excuse that involves another person—he was supposed to take the extra plants and he did take three Frankenstein, but now he says he has no more room. So now I have to dig myself out of this situation, and I don’t have a second space.

Yesterday, I took two smaller Cobra Lips out of the box, but I’ll definitely need to remove at least one more plant. With some thought, I picked these two CLs. They’re the smallest, but that’s not the only reason. They’re “problematic” because they drink the least, which is probably also why they’re the smallest. The watering rhythm for the big and small plants is pretty well synchronized—except for these two, which fall out of an otherwise relaxed schedule. Anyway, I pulled them out and they’re going on the balcony to reveg, and later they’ll try their luck under the open sky, in some bushes.

Now, the question is what to do with the rest (CL, DDT, DW). It is hard for me to toss anything.

I flipped them to 12/12 after about twenty days of life, and now it’s day 24 of flowering

What if I cut the large side branches on the smaller plants and leave only the main tops? Would that stress them out so much that they’d herm? I’d try to make clones from the cuttings. That way, I could maybe cram them into the space.

Another thing I’d like to know is about feeding.

I’m making my own nutrients from raw salts. At first, I copied a well-known brand, and some plants didn’t like it. Satori showed signs of overfeeding even though I wasn’t heavy-handed with the nutrients. Which didn’t surprise me too much, since apparently their genetics require less feeding. Then I copied Jack’s 5-12-26 with calcium nitrate and added micronutrients. I only lowered Mg to 80ppm, because 96ppm seemed a bit much to me. They’re on full strength every watering with no signs of overfeeding and are thriving. I water every two days with some runoff.

They’re now in the fourth week of 12/12, and maybe I should change the feeding mix, but I can’t decide how to compose the ppms of individual nutrients. Or should I just leave things as they are and continue?

One more question.
The two plants I took out of the box have been under light the whole time—20 hours a day. What would happen if I put them back into the box on 12/12? Would they continue flowering normally, or would they be too stressed? Technically, their night period wasn’t disturbed, so I’m wondering if that helps.
I’m asking because now I’m hoping that maybe one of them could still fit if I trim all the smaller plants the way I asked about earlier.

Ufff, I’m tired of thinking in English and I think that’s enough for a first post. Thanks for reading—and for any answers to the questions I’ll be posting here.

:green_heart:

Cheers
Pannonian

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Plant them outside somewhere in the wild :upside_down_face: :green_heart:

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Yes, night period is important, that makes a big difference.
I’ve played with subtracting an hour a day vs one big jump a few times. Both work fine, just maintain the dark time continuity.

Cheers
G

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What are you raw ingredients?
Looks the same as jacks 321 at full strength, a lot of people run that till harvest & just taper off EC (if thats your type of thing). Sounds like you have a lot of raw salts to play with, but a common option is just to phase out the calcium nitrate for gypsum, or play w/ jacks 0-12-26 for ripening.

Plants look really good man, very uniform!

I second the dump em’ somewhere wild if you live in a legal state. Shit , leave them on the corner w/ a Free sign :slight_smile:

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This is for a 10-gallon batch. I do the calculations for 160 liters, which is enough for four waterings. I separate the salts into different jars and top them up with RO water to 400 ml, so I take 100 ml from each jar.
In the red jar are calcium nitrate, boric acid, iron, and micronutrients. In the middle one are Epsom salt and magnesium nitrate, and in the left one are MKP, potassium sulfate, and potassium nitrate.

Here’s one possible combination, just to explore the options. If anyone has any suggestions…

No, brother, totally illegal. I’m in Europe, and for the amount I have, I’d go to jail without a good lawyer.
And that same lawyer, along with the judge and the lawmakers, should be the ones behind bars. :sweat_smile:
If things were set up the way they should be. But everything is :upside_down_face:

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dang shame the distance friend, glady loan ya some space.
so dependin on other space avail …couldnt just move light tween the one ‘9x’ area usin now, and a new spot? like 2 12 or under grows ?
me, from pix if had ta would just take out one of which gonna stretch most …
seeins how close and not lookin crazy crowded n you not opposed to triming, id likely just shape em a bit …lightly as could and finish em up.
for most part any light deviation lasting a couple days or less is correctable just get back on schedule.
nice grow

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It doesn’t look crowded to me. I say let them rip and if it gets too crazy, harvest a few early.
I eat the plants in a salad. I also make tea with them… :grin:

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The plants are still healthy.
I’ve decided not to change the feeding regimen. This setup works well for everyone, and none of them are showing any complaints.
I’m still using the DIY Jack’s 321 formula.

Satori and Frankenstein.

Cobra Lips, (DurbanThai x C99) x )Durban Poison) and Dead Whabbit

Another reason I’m sticking with Jack’s 321 is because I’m hoping to keep them green until the end and improve my chances for revegetation. There are some really nice plants. The Frankensteins are super frosty, the two Satori plants are excellent, and one DTC99xDP really stands out in every way.

Satori
It’s developing flowers quickly, really frosty…


DTC99xDP
Only 18 days in 18/6, and after switching, it started flowering very fast.

Cheers

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Update
The pictures are bad, but it is what it is—I can’t do any better at the moment. Next time, I’ll get a good camera and make an effort with the lighting…
Anyway, it’s day 37 on 12/12.

Satori








Frankenstein






Double Durban Thai


Dead Whabbit


Cobra Lips



I mean, this grow has really been all over the place. I started with a 4x4 space and MH/HPS lighting, and now I’m ending up with two LEDs and more than double the space. Three different germination timings…

When I started, I wasn’t even sure if I’d be able to finish due to some personal issues. So I planted the first batch late. Then I got worried that the heat would catch up with me and started looking into getting LEDs. A deal came up, I found out I’d be able to finish the grow after all. And not only that — I’ll be good until next summer.

So I got two LEDs and expanded the space.
A friend said he’d take all the extra plants, so I gave him some, but then he changed his mind… Then he took a bit more, now he’s hesitating again, etc. If he didn’t need it for oil, I’d be flipping him off.

That’s why everything’s such a mess, overcrowded… I wasn’t planning to clone anything, so I didn’t have what I needed. And just for fun, in the fourth week of flowering, I took some cuttings, dipped them in cinnamon and put them in water.
And most of them rooted. Some of the plants I now have clones from — I really like. Others, also good ones, I don’t



C99 male.
Out of 5 C99s, all were male. This one stood out structurally. The branches grew out evenly on their own and formed an even canopy.
That’s him. Abused, neglected, starved…
Maybe after this grow I’ll put a couple of clones and the C99 into flower for pollination, then after a few days move them outside into the summer sun. Whatever happens, happens.

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An experiment.
I was reading up a bit on chemical root pruning, looking for any products in the EU… There’s nothing similar to Spinout or Microkote.
@OldUncleBen posted a recipe for a DIY version on Rollitup, and here it is:
13 oz of copper hydroxide per gallon of latex paint.
I got a fungicide that contains 77% Cu(OH)2, did some calculations and figured out that a 20g packet is enough for 1.5 dl of paint. I mixed it up, coated the pot, and planted tomatoes in it.
We’ll see in about twenty days if it works.
Funny thing is, it took a ridiculously small amount to coat the pot.





Edit:
Can anyone tell me what this is? Lower leaves


Edit 2:

I’m impatient to see whether the DIY Spinout is working.
I trimmed C99 “male” well, both at the top and the roots, and placed it in a new pot.


During the forced sexing, I clearly misidentified this plant. But I liked its structure, so I kept it.
I made a clone, and I don’t know why it started putting out pistils while still under a vegetative light cycle.

One of the six branches was producing three-fingered leaves and was splitting…
I snapped it off and put it in water.

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My son cleaned the computer today (dust) and now I have a super clean computer that I can’t turn on. I don’t have the nerve to sort on my phone, so the pictures are random.
Flowering day 51
Today they got clean water and will do so until the end. I hope to speed up the process. It’s hot, the exhaust vent stopped working, and the backup is 30% weaker.














Clones in revegetation

It seems that the diy Spinout is working



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This part! Lmao :rofl:

I would compost them personally or yes donate them.

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