100% agree, my mistake was using them and thinking I was making a 100% pure cross between 2 things. And I’m the middle of making seeds and hearing angus talking about the China not being pure shattered me. 
Other then that good stuff I like their gear, better then pretty much everything modern.
But yeah i get whay ur saying but I also understand the purity police, people want to grow and smoke specific landraces that haven’t been mixed with other stuff. Whether people agree with this or not it makes sense that people would feel obligated to bring this up so that people know.
Agreed and considering how rare they’ve become, that’s why I have a fridge full of landraces and bagseeds from different countries and I’ve got a Guerrero going now that’s just getting started flowering after 82 days of 12/12 and 118 days from seed, going to be at least 18 weeks. I’m all for preserving the most pure we can, but I also don’t see the utility in scolding a new grower or a grower new to landraces because they’ve heard of Ace. Ace is the gateway drug to the real stuff lol 
For sure, and it’s tough because Dubi has been a poser this whole time. But if you know enough about landraces, you know what you’re getting with them and if you don’t, they’re an amazing intro is what I’m saying. And especially on this thread, the dude was saying he was getting interested in landraces but without experience. Throwing that dude into a 20+ week Colombian Gold grow might push him away from NLDs forever, where he can grow an Ace hybrid and get effects he’s never seen before that leads him into the whole array of foreign heirlooms
Are you saying he should change his name to Dubious?
That’s a fair point. Although I’ve tried NLDs twice before and said ‘never again’
And here i am growing an NLD again
But more tonyour point i think people should definitely be warned about growing NLDs but by the same stretch people should be warned about ACEs NLD landraces not being pure.
Is that RSC Malawi? If so that would be hilarious because I had no idea… I wasn’t taking a shot at you or RSC Malawi at all ha ha I was just using an example. It’s killer smoke! I just like the extra dark craziness from Ace’s Killer when it pops up.
Yeah it is
It’s funny because the cannagods would withhold that medal anyway because I’m growing in DWC under LEDs using salts as nutrients. Not under full sun in soil using organic nutrients.
No worries I knew you were picking a random example it was just funny that it’s exactly what I’m growing right now
It’s weird anybody would find somebody trying to prevent members here from wasting their time and money buying something that is not what it appears to be as hilarious . That is a large part of what forums are for, to share experiences advice and general info about the cannabis community.
Calling people the purity police because they call out somebody’s lack of transparency and misleading labeling tactics makes it sound like it hit a personal nerve somehow.
Incorrect genetic representation to increase sales is prolific in the cannabis community and causes a lot of wasted time.
There are a lot of hard working business owners who are honest and those who aren’t don’t deserve support imo whether it’s seeds, shoes or a lemonade stand.
They would be better off in the long run being straight forward about what they are doing.
There is a saying that if you do something right one person might hear about it but if you do something wrong at least three will hear about it, he chose to operate the way he does and these comments from me and others are the result that is to be expected.
I agree about Dubi and his dubious practices, but it’s not news. Also why do you assume it would be a waste of his time and money? Just because you insist on some version of an heirloom doesn’t make it objectively better, and he never said he’s looking to procure the most authentic and long flowering version of Malawi, he’s new to landrace genetics and sativa heirlooms. So to see the same tired rants that don’t help him but just continue to circle the drain are tedious. Take it up with Dubi, or offer insights that would be helpful to the question originally asked, I’m not getting paid by Ace to talk them up and you’re not getting paid to talk them down, so it’s diversionary and personal sounding when there can’t even be a discussion about the heirloom without someone sidetracking it with Dubi’s claims.
“I want to grow Ace’s Malawi”
“NO YOU DON’T HE’S A LIAR AND IT’S A HYBRID” is how it reads.
A couple decades isn’t new.
Most people who say they are interested in landraces are referring to just that not hybrids of landraces. The op asked about ace , then with in a few comments expressed there looking for landraces , that is not what ace has so seems on point to me.
I think we are all on the same page here. There are several sources for pure landraces and it is our responsibility to let the new growers know the truth about Ace and the difference. Other than that, the rest is up to the individual. If seasoned growers promote Ace it is because the genetics are high quality. Ive never grown any Ace gear, but I did receive some Malawi seeds that I want to run just out of curiosity. Having said that, I have RSC and TLT genetics for several landraces.
In general, an open mind keeps us learning and growing. Dogma does the opposite. In this particular instance, I do not agree with the dogma that landraces are superior simply because of their genetic purity. Perhaps that is not what is being debated, but it is sometimes being implied. To me that is absurd. It is important, however, to preserve certain genetics, for all the known reasons regarding diversity etc.
Am I missing something here? I dont fully understand where people are disagreeing, honestly.
I agree landraces are not inherently better in quality of the finished product by any means. They are how ever better at passing on true breeding traits as long as they are true landraces and not worked hybrids.
A true landrace has been acclimated to its region for many years , giving it predictable strengths and weaknesses.
I would assume it’s mostly preservationists and breeders who are particularly sensitive about the legitimacy of landrace genetics.
They can also be harder to work with and grow especially the long flowering varieties so people who actually spend the time doing that tend to get annoyed with people who make false representations of those genetics.
I can agree with that especially on the much harder to grow longer flowering cultivars. Like farmershat i grow everything and smoke everything so the arguing seems silly to me but everyone can have their own opinions. When you get down to basics its all cannabis with thc right
That is understandable. In some sense, I personally would be annoyed by false information that sets back a breeding project ive been working on for several years. But in this context, a new grower is unlikely to be interested in preservation or breeding. Seems like most new growers just want to grow something potent that isn’t finicky or difficult to take care of. Recommending Ace gear to a new grower shouldn’t be some taboo.
If anything, recommending an auto flower strain to a new grower seems more taboo. 
Yet it happens all the time.
Based on what i have seen on ace grows compared to rsc ace seems less pure with shorter flowing time. Do you want the purest possible and flowering time isn’t an issue?If so i wouldn’t consider ace and rsc or another source.If purity isn’t important then Ace is great, they do have some of the best work and one of my favorite breeders.
