Of modern versions
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yes I’m 51 % Shure
i think so
the black Nigeria sample was also showing Hybrid on the philos analysis
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Phylis is not reliable.
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Both modern and old. Lots and lots of 70’s pictures posted by @mexcurandero420, Who we can ask if he has seen any black plants in old photos. Old books, old magazines.
@CocoaCoir we know. Its far from perfect, but does show genetic relations, so is not worthless.
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It is worthless because they never verified the cuts.
The black Nigerian could be something like a Malawi Gold and we’d never know.
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How would one go about verifying a cutting other than genome analysis and creating a cannabis genome project? I’m intrigued. Many blessings and much love
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Getting it from reliable sources who historically have held those cuts and or strains. Not just accepting anything that is sent in at face value.
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How do you determine based on what was sent into Phylos who is reliable and who isn’t? To me, without Nigerian sourced “Black Nigerian” to compare it to, it’s all pretty much trusting whomever has whatever and their story. So to say, without verified originals to compare, it’s all just a story and a name. Perhaps true, perhaps not. Many blessings and much love
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Sourcing it from Nigeria would be another way. Though what is there now may be nothing like “Black Nigerian” that is being discussed. You would need someone who knew. Phylos originally had Robert C. Clarke but he left when he saw what they really were.
Once enough verifiable cuts have been had, then you can start to weed out anything that deviates.
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I like Robert Clarke, he’s incredibly knowledgeable and seems to have a special reverence for the plant. And yeah, with enough originals in a well researched genome project the “fakes” would show by deviating to some degree. I wonder how ancient hybridization and recessives might work into it all though, it’s a bit over my head when it comes to the nuances of genetic fingerprinting like that. For example, if there was ancient hybridization in Nigeria with long flowering Indian genetics and short flowering Afghan genetics for example, how would recessives from either source (Indian or Afghan) show relationship to the original population groups compared to the hybridized populations. I’d imagine there would be some type of traceable route but if for example a plant from the hypothetical Indian x Afghan population made in Nigeria expressed as a full on Afghan, how would it show in a genome project? Would it show as if it’s from Afghan populations or would it show as if it’s from the hybridized populations? Many blessings and much love
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Typically in this country whoever has the most money determines the history. Thats a scary prospect, and a view corporate or Phylos would love to capitalize on, for they Will offer great sums of money for the " legit" cuttings. How could we possibly determine where those original genetics came from? For example, how do you know back in nineteen seventy five that people were getting black nigerian? ( imaginary example) Sure some dealer called it that, But maybe the nigerian grower brought seeds from another country. Maybe the guy bought some imported weed in Nigeria that was from South Africa, or The Gambia, or Zaire ( now DRC) What I am learning is that people had no clue what the heck they were getting back then. We bought weed in Kinshasa, DRC, for example, So therefore it must be Congolese. Turns out that might be inaccurate to assume today, and back then too, as we in part found out from Mikes trip, where the Congolese from Kinshasa was in fact Angolan. What would have happened in this scenario back in the seventies? I don’t think many people thought to ask where the weed they bought was grown. There are some places on earth where questions like that could get you shot during a drug deal. It just wasn’t a topic that would come up. People were making up names for marketing, people were guessing, sellers lied to make a few more bucks a kilo or pound.
Some things we know for sure. Some we never will know, til genetic testing solves the puzzle.
All we could verify from an old cutting Is that what was called by a certain name is this certain cutting. It really doesn’t tell us where it came from. Only where we think it came from.
I would hold more faith in the word of an old indigenous grower than i would the dealer that sold me the weed.
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Yes, it seems more of a question of which source is more reliable. There’s no guarantee or absolute truth.
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A guy lately said: you see Results depending on the way you analysis.
I think i understand a bit as i did a bit of programming.
He means i think: you see different pieces of the whole puzzle if you just use one way to analyse it.
But if you really make many comparisons , many ways to analyse it, you can get a very compleete anwser.
I think in your Example: Afghani introduced in Congo AfghaniXCongo would show a similarity to congolese. But not as strong as an untouched Congo to another untouched Congo…
Then you would probably see similarities of Afghani to chinese. Similar leaves, and not to far apart…
HEnce you could therefore make a “connection” that places Afghani pure outside of Congo… Namely it places it somewhere closer to Chinese. it’s the distance of Relation that creates a map
So you see, one could probably see the Afghani relation, in Congolese. Just never as a 100 percent clear anwser, but as a sufficiently clear anwser.
And this might become pretty expensive to really getsufficiently good anwsers.
I mean like in Robert Clarkes analysis i just lately showed.
You can see things that people didnt expect, similar like a cloud analysis, the samples are placed closer to each other that are more similar.
So i expected Middleeastern like Libanese to have a good amount of hemp. And infact the turkish clustered in similar places, close to hungarian hemp (i studied hungarian a bit as an european, it has ONLY hemp with very few exeptions…
If any at all. ITs basically all 1 percent THChemp…
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I suspect he ment what chances do you have in tracing back the true origin of that cross, if it came as a cut only, on American soil, isolated from the African field it grew in, and the only information you had was what the person who brought the cut said it was.
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Medical Genomics, a company in Beverly, MA has Kannapedia which has Phylos but also has their own dataset and you can submit samples for analysis. I think a great way to start research would be to crowd source genetic analysis of the strains that you either get on the expeditions or some of the stuff that East African Genetics already has.
Could use it to create a map of modern day African cannabis.
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compare this 2:
Coastal Seeds sent in multiple Panama samplesdifferent phenotype.?
i remember theire Panama wasfat but same lineagelike the well known seventies Panama.
ifit was Hybridwouldn’t we see something like this:
more Berry
it will make really harsh weed easy to smoke and to chew it takes the rank taste away for me!
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Ukufu from an isolated tribe southeast Africa. A few like 4 out of 12 so far are expressing some bits of purple, could be an indication of purple/black plants
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“M” is for Masisi seeds😁
Hit me up if you’re anxious.
You’ll have to turn your phone for effect lol. It didn’t matter which way I took the picture.It always flipped it to look like a three.
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Time flies, i cant believe you are already getting seeds!
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