Masisi, Congo Preservation. Black African Magic?

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@@Hemlock These seeds are from preflowers mainly. The plants are huge for indoors, so each one must have had 50 seeds from preflowers alone, and then the later half dozen males were starting to hit the very first flowers, so those aren’t as far along.
I found a female hermie. Its a Stress hermie from the looks of it. Thank God i caught it in time. No flowers opened. I’m going to keep an eye on it, and pollinate it good. I’m spreading more pollen this week, but it looks like I’ll have plenty of seeds to give every donor some sooner rather than later.
The latest females and latest males have contributed the least genetically at this point. I’ve been collecting pollen for a month and have enough to remedy that. Soon i will have the plants outdoors lol. A true loooooooongflower.
BUT STINKY
I was picking up spent male flowers and the scent is super strong . Shockingly strong actually. I think theres going to be some potent plants found.

@Hemlock

Time flies, i cant believe you are already getting seeds!

Flowering began November 5th, and i could shut the room down in 6 weeks with a respectable seed haul. Not too bad for an Equatorial.

[romanoweed]

about the phylos example:

you have to study phylos more regularly to see what i see.

Its very rare for a sample to show “landrace” plus another thing like “hemp” WITHOUT showing “skunk” aswell.

(the result of outcrossing).

Landrace plus hemp i see in Afghanis on phylos often…
LAndrace plus CBD is another interesting case.

It shows it in very few instances , namely in these panama samples.

SO: thats why i suspect that those Samples bouth from Coastal Seed company are not the result of outcrossing, rather selection.

Bouth samples show just different amounts of “landrace”, and the rest is “hemp”.

I think we see the result of selection for the shortes pheno.

I also can say that other cases when soeone sent in different samples from the same strain that the variations in the testresults are tiny tiny tiny small.

Even some skunk samplse from different breeders showed almost exact same readings .

So to anwser the question. i think in extreeme cases, where a lebanese anchestry might be hidden in the Panama, when you select for it, it might produce a preddy distinct difference at some point. But in cases like skunk, where its just a fullon indi-saty hybrid anyway , it shows no difference.

In one line :hylos shows a difference if the pheno is remarkably different. otherwise it does not.

But again, you must read phylos as often sa i do to know that the absense of skunk is a reading that clearly alot of landraces show on phylos. And therefore its possible to assume that this sample was the old wellknown Panama strain.
I am 90 percent shure they told that its the panama 1975 or however the exact date was, my brain getting foggyer from all the data , man…1974 or whatever…

[Upstate]

I’ve spent many hours looking at Phylos data. I agree that skunk typically shows something is hybridized… All except for the landraces found in skunk. They are going to show skunk even though they have none in it… But rather skunk has the landrace in it. Ie Mexi or Afghan.
This adds another layer of mystery, not knowing exactly which landraces were used in the making of Skunk. We know only the nations, not which of their genetics was used.

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@CocoaCoir

The black Nigerian could be something like a Malawi Gold and we’d never know

For sure, but it’s still going to show that relation that is helpful for breeding.

[Upstate]

The late Masisi males, 5 of them.

Very few males I’ve seen flower this late.
The last one is my favorite

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Same plants February 17th

The later male plants have the better structure. If i were breeding this, this late lineup of males would be my breeders…especially my favorite of the previous post
The nodes are tighter on the late phenos

[drgreensleeves]

@Upstate

The last one is my favorite

What size pot is he in? And manhe looks like that pesh male i had

[Upstate]

5 gallons for the big 3. These three I thought were females originally. Another is in a three gallon and the smallest one in a one gallon

[Upstate]

So here’s a neat thought.
Landraces are ( sometimes)made up of a couple different genetics that sort themselves out over the years. In this Masisi We can roughly sort them into more or less stretched individuals.
The more compact pheno is the later of the two, and if i had to guess any possible Ancient Indica ancestry, ( What I’m saying here is if I knew for sure it contained some)? I would guess it to be in this later phenotype. Yet it’s longer flowering, possibly suggesting an older Timeline of tropical existence. Could an older acclimated lebanese (or other )style indica have mated with a later sativa from another area? It just seems like the compact types have been there longer… And i’m going way back with both of these genetic wings that are supposed. Hundreds of years for each

[drgreensleeves]

This whole time i never ever considered a time when Lebanon wasnt completely hybridized or even Egypt for that matter ps and how Egypt is actually super close

[drgreensleeves]

These African plants chatch me off guard everytime and i have to rethink alot of things . Like how come there cant be black plants on the mountains? And if there was , wouldn’t it be likely some pollen made its way down hill? Idk just got me thinking

[Upstate]

The source of the nile river is only a couple hundred miles east of Pygmy country today…and it was
actually closer, originally. Pygmys probably lived on its ( lake victoria)shores. It could be that the Black Mamba Uganda is a BAM cultivar or related to it.
There has always been a connection from the delta of the nile river thousands of miles inland

[Gpaw]

I’d be a little cautious interpreting those old photos. The old orthochromatic emulsions had a sensitivity bias towards the blue part of the spectrum so I’d expect that would extend into green as well.

TL:DR
I’d expect green plants to appear darker than they were.

{edit} some of the later B&W were probably panchromatic, this was a better emulsion (wider spectrum) but had the same issues but to a somewhat lesser degree.

Cheers
G

[CocoaCoir]

If you build a castle on sand then it will collapse.

[1oldfart]

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[Upstate]

I don’t think I’ve seen any black plants in old photos at all that I can think of off hand.
Maybe some of Vavilovs photos show one?

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@drgreensleeves

Like how come there cant be black plants on the mountains

Maybe there is. I’ve just never seen
one and no one I know has seen one.
It’s quite a unique look. Anyone that had a camera Would have snapped a picture if they were in the presence of black plants With the camera in hand

[Upstate]

I’m just theorizing what I would ponder if genetic testing determined there was northern indica In this line. I don’t see any, but notice the difference between the tall stretchies and the more compact pheno, and wonder where that came from, because the trait didn’t arise in the Congo under Pygmy control.
In my mind it seems similar to Colombian Gold, an obvious longflower, but growing sometimes very compact and growing in an area where Indica was introduced 150 years ago. Egypt grew Lebanese style plants with longer arms up til the 30’s commercially. They were the biggest hash producer in the world at the time. I would imagine the hash and any stray seeds in it traveled south as often as it traveled in other directions. That could easily explain part of why the african sativa gene pool is stonier than other tropical genepools if it saw Northern genetics more recently than the others.( pre modern Indica era, 90 years ago)

[Gpaw]

Yes, black is a bit of an overstatement, dark is probably better. I’m thinking of the old British reports from India etc. that had photos.
The point I’m labouring to make… (poorly ) is the old B&W photos can be deceptive to interpretation when studying the plants.

Cheers
G

[mexcurandero420]

Afro-Brazilians brought weed to West-Africa when they went back to Africa after slavery ended. The first slaves that reached Brazil were from Angola and Congo, what i read. With them they brought the genetics.
So what could be Black Nigerian later was perhaps originally Black Congo, who knows.
Difficult to say.