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Update on the breeding project. 3 confirmed males, and one confirmed female. The other six are still unsexed.
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There has been apartment inspection, a fire alarm inspection, and now another fire alarm inspection to get the ones they missed the first time. I had to disassemble my box so I can hide my plants, and now these fuckers I rent from are taking three weeks to get organized.
So my plants have gotten way more veg time than I anticipated, and has brought on a few nutrient deficiencies as well. I simply didn’t plan on them going this long! I had to trim the clones several times to keep them manageable. Fingers crossed I can keep them relatively healthy.
Pic 1 is my favorite female. Excellent growth structure and vigor.
Pic 2 is my favorite male. Little short bushy plant with a gum ball shape. Practically round it is so bushy.
Pic 3 is the trimmed clones
Pic 4 is a tall sativa female that I topped, another promising male, and another promising female.
Ultimately this will be 4 females bred by two males.
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And then there were three. I killed one of my best looking females for being a lady boy. I have to weed out hermaphroditism in the line. That leaves three females and two males. One of those females is quite lanky, but has incredible growth rates. I am not sure if I will keep the seeds out of that female. The proof is in the smoke.
The clones are a week ahead of the others in terms of flowering times. They start budding up fast. This is a week from the flip.
And the others. The male is on the far right. Despite it being in soil that is a bit too rich for it, you can see the vigor and size. Big bushy plant, just like the other male. The female I have the highest hopes for is on the far left. The sativa pheno is in the middle.
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It’s been a minute. Unfortunately only one of the females that I kept has been true. Ironically it is the female clone that I have had the whole time. I killed all of the others for hermaphroditism. Including one of the two males that I was keeping.
This isn’t pleasant news obviously, but it is the reality of breeding with older genetics. They still need the unwanted traits bred out of them, and someone has to take the time to do it.
I have been studying every branch and bud for intersex traits almost daily. This has helped eliminate all intersex plants before dropping pollen. I even found a single calyx popping out of a male I wanted to keep. Of course it is gone as well. I am doing my best to breed this into a stabilized strain. I would have liked more than one male and one female to breed with, but ultimately weeding out the undesirable traits is the most important thing, not genetic diversity.
I still have the mom of this to breed with, and hopefully the male will be a stud. I am collecting some pollen for storage as well.
Luckily the mom has all the qualities I was looking for. It flowers very fast, and is producing decent resin content and has a piney melon smell. The buds are fully seeded now and have been flowering for a bit over three weeks. I just hope the seeds will be worth growing.
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So I got my first seed out of the reproduction run! I am still inspecting every single bud for signs of hermaphroditism on a regular basis. So far so good. While I was doing my inspection I saw this one ripe seed about to fall out of a pollinated preflower. The rest are mostly still green, but this one was ripe much earlier.
The strain appears to be pretty early flowering, and pretty resinous. Both things are obviously attractive qualities. The smell is developing more by the day, and has a pretty strong piney skunk smell.
It is fully seeded and right around 30 days of flower. I still have the mother of this, so if the pure breeding line turns out to be a failure because I only had one male to use, then I can still use the mom to make hybrids with.
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Next time you’re planning to come up this way, hit me up.
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Absolutely. Will do.
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just passed by to tell you that your heirloom project is really interesting. I hope you don’t mind me dropping one or two questions eventually.
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Not much to report. I accidentally fed it a little bit much, and also let it get a little too close to the light. No serious damage with either. More and more seeds are ripening, and I expect to harvest in about two weeks time. I am going to let it get a little over ripe, just to make sure the seeds are as well developed as possible.
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It got a little cloudy, which lets me take better pictures than when it is too sunny. The plant is entering its seventh week of flower now.
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I harvested the All Star Mexican. I was going to let it go longer, but seeds were falling out of it left and right, and the buds were beginning to look a bit rough. I decided to harvest it so I can give a decent smoke report.
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Is that bud all Mexican? Those are pretty buds. I grew up in the deep south and was a ragin’ hippie freak in my young days down there. Lots of good weed came from that part of the country.
What part of Colo are you in? I’m down south outside of Trinidad, about 10 miles from the New Mexican border.
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It is all Mexican in the sense that it came bricked up from south of the border, but the genetics are certainly hybridized.
I am living in Colorado Springs these days. Absolutely incredible weather for growing, I wish I had a backyard I could put plants in.
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The ‘93 Allstar Mexican is finished. It is pretty strong stuff, with an up high. It can be a little racy and anxiety inducing in larger amounts. Finished with a kind of fruity pine smell. Temps at night in the mid 60’s was enough to induce purple colors.
It is really classic Pretendica. A strain for the short season in Mexico. Short little plant that finishes in 60 days but keeps the sativa high and bud structure. Has a fruity pine smell. Not bad stuff. I think it will really shine in crosses.
I hope you get to see this Som. Thanks again!
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Your plants turned out nice and it is good to see that the strain continues. The line does have some indica in it but I think it is probably more sativa than your plants initially appear. I recently changed changed from HPS to LED and noticed that the strains I had been growing for years now had fatter leaved, shorter internode length, finished faster, were more squat and generally looked more indica than they were in the past, so some of the more indica leaning plant structure you are seeing in the '93 Mexican may be more indica in appearance due to the lighting affecting the growth patter. I haven’t grown the Mexican under LED yet so I can’t speak to that from personal experience but I know that when I grew it under HPS in years past it looked more sativa.
Also there is some phenotypic variation in the line because it is a cross between two different batches of Mexican brick weed. The female side clearly had a bit indica in it and was probably from the commercial fields of northern Mexico in the late '80s, the male side was a much older and probably purer sativa that was probably already an heirloom by then. So individual plants will vary whether they take after one side or the other more. I think the final test is in the buzz, and you will probably agree that the buzz is pretty heavily on the sativa side.
Anyway your final results look great and I am beyond excited that you made seeds so that now I am not the only one who has them. I’ve always enjoyed smoking this weed and wanted to preserve it so that hopefully other people could enjoy it in the future. I would encourage you, as I already have to spread the seeds far and wide so that others can enjoy it as well.
I would also add that when you cross this strain with modern lines it tends to create crosses that have a strong throwback sativa element to it and makes for some great weed. I suspect that these older lines have fewer recessive traits than the newer ones so they tend to come through in the crosses.
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Thanks @som, that has been a very strong suspicion of mine as well.
and… Welcome to Overgrow! 
Cheers
G
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Hey! Really glad to see you Som. Thanks for stopping by.
I am praying that the f3 I made will produce good quality plants. I definitely have enough seeds to spread far and wide. This little baggy is about half of the seeds I got from it.
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Are you getting any really awesome terps from your mexican plants? I have some old seeds but haven’t been lucky with them yet.
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