Morning overgrowers, all good? Recently I got a 15 Hi-Octane OG seeds pack from Happy Dreams Genetics in hope of hunting a male and a female, they all germinated, but more half of them just decided to die (I know there’s probably a perfect reasonable explanation for this, but I haven’t figured it out yet), yet the ones that survived seems pretty healthy so far except for one that’s locked.
Still hadn’t sexed them, but I’m wondering if I should commit to the hunt and find the best male and female even if it comes out only one male or one female, or should I just let them all freely pollinate and then start the hunting with the offspring?
I don’t need many seeds anyway, so I’ll probably clone to sex them and reproduce those clones, and take the original seeds that are female to flower
Sometimes in low germ/low seedling survival the males make it and the females don’t; or at least have a lower ratio of females to males. At this phase probs best to just love em and watch em, make the decisions when you get more information.
Nothing like popping seeds and thinking about all the possibilities right?! OGTW!
I didn’t knew this, thanks for warning me. I hope there’s at least one girl, but you’re right, now I’m thinking of they’re all only males I’ll cross them with something else I already ha, oh boy, so many new options to think about
If you take cuttings you can sex them under a 12/12 light to know what the mother/father plants are
With only 8 plants left you won’t be pheno hunting. I’d pick my favorite male and female and make a few branches of seed.
Even 15 isn’t really enough for a good search. I think you need like 100+ to really find some unique genetic combinations. You can always get lucky with less
Thanks, that’s exactly how I was planning sexing them. Yeah, maybe isn’t an actually pheno hunting, I would be picking the best of them to keep for myself, I’m not a business anyway, just hope to get some fun on the way
My understanding is some people will pop 300+ plants to find 1 or two keepers to clone or continue breeding. This is what I see as phenotype hunting. Because each seed is unique and they are hunting an exact pheno. Archive genetics is a good example, their rainbow belts v2 is stupid fruity, to the point where some people hate it. But that’s the result of pheno hunting
Then there’s people that pop 10, pick the best looking ones for their desired traits and go from there. Some people prefer the regular stuff that’s crossed with dank plants because they are more balanced than a worked pheno line
Didnt you post that you havent even grown from seed yet like 2 weeks ago?
Im also confused on why you think someone couldnt pop 10 seeds of a hybrid and find unique phenotypes? Do you know this for fact from your experiences?
I also said the 10 seeds options involves picking the best traits and going from there. Not implying that you cant find a unique pheno from 10 plants by getting lucky. Rather all some breeders can do is pop 10 and pick the best and go from there. Which is my plan for the northern lights run I’m starting.
Once again I’m not trying to argue with you, just sharing my opinions from the research I’ve done. And that could be totally wrong, this is my first personal grow that I’m fully in charge of. But not my first grow
Idk how you would even go about that and still have it be objective…have to try each one on a full moon, after having eaten a steak, and only one 30 minute nap allowed that day…?
I guess in such a scenario I’d pick the yielding resin machines and just try those. But I have no aspirations to get that big. A little bigger maybe but not that big.
I would agree with the 8 plants you can find a good one, but in my opinion I think finding a good pheno in that is part luck and more so, what strains the breeder chooses to mix.
In my head, pheno hunting is, say you want a short, bushy plant with a gas type sativa smell. But it’s Mom is indica and it’s Dad’s sativa. So it takes at least 16 plants for some of the double recessive genes to show up. But that’s just math, people get lucky all the time and the parents genetics make the biggest impact.
The legal industry don’t give a fuck about whole rooms full of 200-300 plants just to find one good pheno when making a new strain. But that’s unrealistic for pretty much everyone
Do you think that the weed we grow is a perfect 50/50 of all traits so that the math works like that, and that they grow the same in each different environment?
Do you think that all the pre-cookies strains, before they bottlenecked genetics, were grown by the hundreds to open pollinate?
This is where i think new, non-prohibition growers are getting hurt by social media and hype…most every “breeder,” by your logic, didnt grow unique plants prior to 2010-2015…
There’s a bunch of science on how traits are passed down. I know enough that’s it’s not 50/50. And that good old biology genetic inheritance is what determines it.
I’m not saying you can’t grow unique plants from small time breeders. But most of the stuff back in the day was pheno hunted the same way. Selection, picking the best. Growing those out and picking the best again. You either spent years and years making some unique stuff or got it from a guy that spent years and years. They just grew 100 plants over many years at like 8 at a time.
Post prohibition will run 300 plants at a time. Pick the best. I’m sure some will make that best into a new strain and others will go down another 2-4 generations until the line is stabilized. What took 3-5 years from a small breeder can be done in a year from a mega breeder.
Now are all the dispensary crosses just made up of gelato, runtz and cookies? Yes. But that’s how they pheno hunt in the legal industry in my experience.
No judgement on what’s right or wrong. Tbh I don’t like how corpatized the legal industry is
If you have limited spece, I would go for the best plants, do one-to-one polinization, or even a S1 If you really want to keep something special without the need of clones.
Open polinization can mess to much the next generation in this case, I was Reading about this strain, and it’s a big mix of good yielders with no so good yielders.
I would ask what o seek, for this can also help with this decision.
