Man I need to find my huge world atlas geography book so I can follow where you guys are talking about. I am sure you have run across unnamed plants that were bred by local growers. I would be curious to learn about those. When I started growing everyone grew they’re own plants. Not bred but some type of bagseed that would finish in they’re area. I think Nevill had just begun to sell seeds at that time. No one in my area would risk getting seeds in the mail. Did you guys have a plant that you lost and wish you had kept? Is the PNG gold stable or is there a lot of variety in those plants? Is it still wild?
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where i live its just over an hours flight to png ,
kinda just up the road really …
the grows here when i was a kid were all sativa ,
from imported cannabis and seed had been taken from it and grown ,
plus some came from folks travelling ,
i knew some who went to india and bought seed back sewn into clothing…
i had plenty of plants lost that i wished id been able to keep,
there was some crazy good stuff around back then …
i never grew hundreds of png gold , so cant comment as much on stability ,
though it was likely similar to the other landraces , diverse , but with a common theme …
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Hey @wallyduck . How recessive is the ducksfoot leaf shape ? I mean, if I cross a Ducksfoot with a Ghost Train Haze, would you expect to see any ducksfoot leaves in the F2 seeds? Also, Do you think Ducksfoot is southeast asian like PNG ? If so, where do you think it came from ? Have you or @slain seen any other mutations in the plants from your part of the world ? Have you seen the blood sativas that produce red sap?
yes u will see some webbed leaf plants in the f2 magu …
I dont really know where it came from originally, it certainly has some sativa traits ,
but the original also had some afghani traits ive seen too ,
my assessments back then were not as good as they may be today after the experiences ive had in the last 20 + years of growing extensively …
the other mutation from here is one you have probably heard of anyhow , abc , australian bastard cannabis …
and yes ive seen some blood/red in the sap before , i dont really recall what it was , some sativa more than likely as it was a long while back , i never thought that much about it …
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Hey @wallyduck @slain . When did PNG gold become really popular in OZ ? Do you guys know if the natives were smoking pot before the white men got there ?
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I think the late 80s , early 90 s man ,
there was a period of swapping weed for guns to png ,
not a very good thing really , but it was going on without doubt …
by all reports a lot of the weed was quite average , with the odd exception
and no pretty sure pot only arrived with white man ,
initially i think some hemp in the very early years ,
then during ww 2 when a lot of aussies were based over there …
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No cannabis here before the first fleet arrived with hemp which ended up growing wild along the Hunter River, until it was eradicated in the 60s after locals discovered what it was.
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Hey @wallyduck . Just out of curiosity, Where or how did you aquire the plants to breed Ducksfoot? Was it just a wild plant? Or a mutant that you had found ? How long did you work on it?
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They were sourced where i live in Australia ,
some plants in a variety a mate had seen had webbed leaf ,
we ended up with some seeds and grew them out ,
only one plant showed webbed leaf , so we had to use a non webbed leaf male to produce more seed,
however around 25% of the projeny showed webbed leaf plants ,
i spent the next 18 months or so line breeding using only webbed plants , to f5 before i sent them out.
sadly i focused on only that trait at the cost of some of the other traits ,
we live and learn …
I did make a hybrid of some hawaiin webbed leaf plants , and the one i had ,
they were completely different plants and didnt seem related at all ,
the hybrid was very successful , but i never got around to releasing any on the market ,
i think i have some from an old batch that another chap has reproduced ,
ill know when i get around to growing them ,
it was super potent weed , and very fuel smelling , very strong terps …
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What do you guys think is the oldest form of marijuana? I mean is there a “dinosaur pot plant” ? Where do you think something like that would have originated ?
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The earliest version of ganja that interacted with humans probably had little tiny buds. It probably looked like the cultivar called FREAKSHOW.
I can say from personal experience, every time that I grew SATORI(Mandala Seeds) outdoors, I always felt the presence of something very, very old. The look of the plants (leaf serration and healthy upward praying) always brought “dinosaur times” to mind.
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Many of them over the years, when I was first into growing about 30 years ago, someone gave me some Afghan seeds, I had never even seen plants like that, and I grew them out without making any seeds so I lost it. It wasn’t for another 10 years that I saw Afghan varieties again. All of our seeds were either bag seeds or traded seeds, so all we had for a very long time was no name Sativa mostly of SE Asian origin. There were many standout plants over the years that I didn’t really appreciate at the time and wish I still had today. In North Queensland it’s still mostly dominated by varieties that are heirlooms rather than bought seed, mostly because of the challenging nature of the tropical climate precluded most indica varieties, and the local varieties are as good as any other tropical Sativa so we have mostly stuck to what works, outdoors at least.
PNG that I’ve seen here tends to be mixed among other varieties, the idea of keeping things pure was a bit foreign for a long time. As Wally says, most of these varieties are varied, but follow a general theme. If you compare a few plants they often look different, but when you see a large amount then you can see the common elements.
Unfortunately It’s only as a lot of the old heirlooms have disappeared that I have appreciated what we had, but when you’re young, the grass is always greener somewhere else right? If you’re wondering where we are talking about it’s this general area:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/xPGZbrWX9m6tjptz6?g_st=ic
Famous for places like this:
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I just learned about the WW2 fighting in PNG. No wonder those soldiers from all sides never came back the same. Second largest island on earth and tons of mountains AND jungles. Some soldiers resorted to cannibalism instead of starvation. Others died and were incorporated into the trees. Would be a crazy place to explore. Described as a literal living hell.
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Just exploring it was hard enough. Fighting there…no thanks. Much respect to the guys who fought there. Imperial Japan was evil, but you have to respect their battle prowess. And much respect to the Allies who re-took it. That battle ultimately killed more than 200,000 people.
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Vice.
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Vice is going OOB.
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The WW II battles in PNG led to me to reproducing PNG seeds. I’ll explain.
My neighbor’s father survived being shot in the hip by a Japanese soldier while fighting in Papua.
So my neighbor, Bob, wanted to visit the site of this particular battle where his dad was wounded.
When Bob was trekking across Papua, he met a man at an outpost in the Goroka Highlands that sold him some weed.
Bob brought back some seeded buds and I collected these seeds.
I remembered reading that people really enjoyed PNG 303 so I definitely wanted to reproduce some for my fellow growers and ended up doing that.
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My dad lost two of his uncles who fought in New Guinea in WW2. I also had a grandfather stationed at Milne Bay who survived but was missing for several months presumed dead. I’ve always been fascinated. Plus I was born there as my dad was working there at the time.
The only PNG related stuff I’ve grown was Nanan Bouclou which was quite good. Still have seeds left but it’s a matter of too much choice to grow at the moment. Will pop them eventually.
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i was there a few weeks ago ,
just the old passing by on the way to Asia ,
one needs a visa to enter there now that its not part of Australia ,
independence in 1975 while we were there , sept 16 …
I always marveled at the wrecks offshore while driving along the coast ,
and on a hill myself and my buddy found there was a concrete bunker ,
steps leading to an area where there were chains on a wall obviously to pin someone too ,
we found a large bullet on the edge of one of the steps leading in ,
pretty fun stuff for boys of 6 years old , we were in awe of that sort of thing …
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