Potasium Def. or Nute Burn?

I was away traveling for the last four days and came back to this. My Blue Dream had some signs on lower leaves before my travels but now it seems to be spreading.
My Lemon Shining Silver Haze gets the same medium, feed and light and she absolutely thrives.

Thank you for looking at this!

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Medium: Soil (vegetable soil) / Coco (pH adjusted to 6.3)

Coco was initially unbuffered because of shitty product. Replanted them (6 weeks ago), then it was too late to turn back. I have been to giving extra CalMag to compensate 2 ml per/l. Last feed I boosted to 3.2 ml/L in order to reach 140–150 mg/L Cal, 45–50 Mag

Nutrients and water:

Distilled water + CalMag 2ml/l only up until week 3 of flower.

Then 60 distilled and 40 tap water +CalMag 1,5 ml/l.

As of today and forward only Tap water + CalMag 3.4 ml/l

**Tap water baseline:
Calcium: ~44 mg/L
Magnesium: ~6.8 mg/L

+3.4 ml Calmag : 140–150 mg/L Ca, 45–50 mg/L Mg (≈3:1 Ca:Mg)**

Supplements/Nutes

TerraAqua CalMag
Bio Nova PK 13-14
Bio Nova N27 27-0-0
DIY Horsetail (Silica extract / gentle suppliment) in lacto bacteria + distilled water. 3 Weeks old. Also used as pH down.

Grow room ambiance

PPFD: 860-1100

CO2: Negative

Temp: 22-26.2 C / 71.6 - 79.1 f

Humidity: 40-57%

Pest: Tiny population of Fungus Gnats, on their way out. Stickeys + Nematoads incoming.

GROW LOG/ FEED

EC is in µS/cm

Example: 2000 µS/cm ≈ 1000 PPM on a 500 scale

Summary

May 30

Feed:

  • EC: 1350

Runoff:

  • LSSH: EC 2190 | pH 6.4
  • BD: EC 1924 | pH 6.0
  • BMR: ??? EC (too little runoff) | pH 6.4

June 2

Feed:

  • Volume per plant: 1.4 L
  • CalMag: 2 ml/L
  • EC: 0.650
  • pH: 6.3

Runoff:

  • LSSH: EC 2.520 | pH 6.7
  • BD: EC 1.339 | pH 6.6 (runs straight through)
    • BD Extra Soak: 400 ml | EC 1.908 | pH 6.5
  • BMR: EC 1.636 | pH 6.6 (heavier than others, smells of moist soil when watering)

June 4

Feed:

  • Volume: 3.6 L (approx. 30% tap water)
  • CalMag: 6 ml (~500 EC)
  • PK: 1 ml (~250 EC)
  • Silica Lacto: 3–4 tablespoons (~35 EC)
    • Note: Could not add more due to pH risk dropping below 6.2
  • EC: 0.785
  • pH: 6.2

Runoff:

  • LSSH: EC 2139 | pH 6.3
  • BD: EC 1687 | pH 6.3
  • BMR: EC 1240 | pH 6.4

June 7

Feed:

  • Test: 40/60 Tap/Distilled water
  • Volume: 2.8 L
  • Base EC: 0.185 (40/60 mix)
  • CalMag: 5.33g → EC 0.690
  • Silica Lacto: 2.5 tsp → EC 0.715
  • pH: 6.2

Runoff:

  • LSSH (900 ml old batch @ pH 6.3): EC 1945 | pH 6.9 (!)
  • LSSH (+900 ml new feed): EC 2164 | pH 6.5
  • BD (1.4 L): EC 1126 | pH 6.5
  • BMR: EC 1168 | pH 6.7

Extra Boost (All Plants):

  • 3 L Tap + Distilled
    • CalMag: EC 0.560
    • PK (1.8g): EC 0.745
    • N27 (1g): EC 0.973
    • Silica Lacto: 5 tsp → EC 1.010
    • pH: 6.1

Final Runoff:

  • BMR: EC 2.305
  • BD: EC 1.650
  • LSSH: EC 2.159

June 10 (Watering Day)

Feed:

  • Total Volume: 2.5 L
    • 1.1 L Tap + 1.4 L Distilled → EC 0.200
    • PK: 1.3 ml
    • CalMag: 5 ml
    • N: 0.3 ml
    • Silica Bacillus: 3–6 tsp
  • EC: 1.268
  • pH: 6.1

Runoff:

  • LSSH: EC 2.276 | pH 6.4
  • BD: EC 1.571 | pH 6.3

June 13 (Friday the 13th)

Feed:

  • 1.1 L Tap + 2.9 L Distilled → EC 0.185
  • PK: 5.6g → EC 0.808
  • N27: 0.51g → EC 0.883
  • CalMag: 4g → EC 1.023
  • Silica Lacto: 3–4 tbsp → EC 1.330
  • pH: 5.9

Runoff:

  • LSSH: EC 2.909 | pH 6.4
  • BD: EC 1.800 | pH 6.2
    • Too low — gave 200–300 ml stronger extra feed
    • Extra Feed to BD: EC 2.900
    • BD Second Runoff: EC 2.534 :white_check_mark:

CREW EXPANDABLE…

June 17

Feed:

  • 2.8 L Tap Water
  • CalMag: 8.9 ml → EC 1.000
    • Target: 140–150 mg/L Ca, 45–50 mg/L Mg (≈3:1 Ca:Mg)
  • PK: 6 ml → EC 1.300
  • N27: 0.7 ml → EC 1.700
  • Silica Lacto → EC 1.900
  • Final EC 1900

  • pH: 6.1

Runoff:

  • BD: EC 2.583 | pH 6.2
  • LSSH: EC 2.685 | pH 6.3
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Here is my Lemon Shining Silver Haze.
Couple of yellow lower leaves. Also some medium age leaves with a bit yellowing at the edges, tiny tiny bit.

She gets the same feed, light and medium.

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Are they still growing nicely? They really don’t look too bad.

If so I’d just rip off all the affected leaves.

That way they look prettier and you can more easily see any spread.

My guess is either burnt in some way or the distilled water.

All the best.

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Maybe? The feed does not look too high does it? Around 1500-1900 EC microS/cm.

Take a look at this brighter pic, the browing and yellowing is spreading fast.

Friday 13th June

17 June

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I don’t do EC so I couldn’t say.

Yes that does indeed seem to be spreading.

How far into flower are you?

It doesn’t look like nute burn to me but maybe someone else can chime in.

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Two days into… ehm…? Week 5 flower.

I believe Blue Dream is a bit behind my Lemon Shining Silver Haze… but then again the genetics on the Lemon is monstrous and always has been!

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I think it’s the horsetail. You are running in Coco yet it sounds like you’re trying to break down horsetail like soil for silica . Silica would create a bond first to the water then the calmag would bond to that chain. If something goes wrong in this bonding, you could create all sorts of problems with your feed. Cheers !!!

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It is 50 soil 50 coco. But how come the LSSH is thriving if that is the case?

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you posted lots of info about the conditions but you forgot the most important one PH what is it i do see it posted you have a lock out is my guess correct the PH and problem goes away

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Agreed i would start with ph.

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I’m not sure exactly sure how you’re breaking down the horsetail. But I think it’s probably contributing to nutrient lockout or pH issues. I’m not sure if you’ve successfully used horsetail in a mixed media situation like this before with success ? I normally would see that in a soil medium. Are you sure you don’t see signs of this starting on the healthy plant on the fan leafs ?

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@thainer

In my first post click the Summary under

Grow log/feed

I water 6.0-6.3 pH. Mostly 6.3 pH.

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No this is my first experiment with this very unorthodox medium. No signs on the Lemon Haze but I will keep an eye :eye: out going forward!

The Blue Dream leaves seems to start like this before yellowing and drying up.


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That necrosis and brittle leaf

  • spreading and not stopping
  • dark dark green

looks like some kind of lockout to me

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I would do a slurry test to see PH of the medium. A lot of opinions on mixed mediums being good and bad. I’ve never really done mixed mediums like this. It’s a bit difficult as soil requires a higher pH than Coco. Mixing the two becomes a bit difficult to control pH fluctuations. Added to that the horsetail is probably contributing to those PH fluctuations or just potentially locking out all the nutes. Generally, when people do 50-50 soil/Coco, they have a target PH lower than 6.3 but that’s because you will lock out Cal mag at higher pH in Coco.

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Slurry coming up, Sir!

Edit: @BTYGMO Run off on Lemon Shining Silver Haze is 6.3-6.6 pH.
Blue Dream is 6.2 pH.

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Not sure exactly what your problem is but this stood out to me…

Did a quick look at these and they contain no micro nutrients? I couldn’t find a picture of the labels (wtf nutrient companies???) but their feed charts have base nutrients for these.

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All I know is the TerraAqua CalMag is based on Nitrogen

Here is some unreliable info on Bio Nova N27:
https://www.marijuana-guides.com/nutrients/bio-nova/n-27-info/

this product contains 27% nitrogen (N), of which 13% NO3, 7% NH4, and 7% NH2. Besides nitrogen, N 27 also contains 1% Magnesium (MgO) and the trace elements iron, manganese and copper.

Here is the back of Bio Nova PK 13-4 and N27


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Your nutrients are cleated. They are designed to be absorbed immediately by the plant. They don’t need any process. They are readily available. When you have things like the horsetail that needs to be broken down so that it can become available it’s competing with readily available nutrients. Silica is the primary bond in the water chain. This combination of cleated and non-cleated especially on the primary bonding of silica to water would be my concern. How do you know when the horse tail has broken down enough to be available to take the primary bond to the water ? What if it’s still breaking down and doesn’t take the primary bond that could potentially allow for a nutrient lockout immediately. Silica, forcing all the other nutrients to fall out and reeking havoc on the PH just my thoughts…

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Highly interesting!

I dried, cut and grinded the horsetail and then placed it in a jar of distilled water and homemade Bokashi tea + molasses (sugars and minerals for the lacto bact to eat and reproduce). After about 3 weeks the lacto bacteria has broken down the horsetails (Nitrogen, Silica and so on) to ready nutients. Or at least that is what I have learned. The EC of the Silica tea sits around 6500 EC (!!!) when raw. I only add around 0.100 - 0.200 EC of it to my feed. I Water with 6.0 - 6.3 pH

The Bokashi and jar or raw tea.





34 g dried horsetail, chopped and grounded

500 g distilled water

30 mL raw bokashi tea (unfiltered, undiluted)

1 tablespoon muscovado sugar (as carbon source for fermentation)


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