Crushing it @nube beautiful, healthy and not a deficiency in sight.
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Iām happy to give a little context. One of the reasons I do open pollination preservations is because thereās no selection or culling of anything. Iām a dummy, so this method is easy and I donāt have to make any claims about the outcome. Iāll grow out all the moms seedless and report what I find, but youāll likely find other stuff, hopefully something you like. 
If doing selective breeding, I think any male who doesnāt autoflower is likely fine as long as he ticks the other boxes. Iām dubious of claims that the late flowering males are better in any way. Always going for the last flowering males excludes a lot of great candidates, and I think it pushes the genepool in a direction that might not be great overall. For normal people like us just wanting to grow some good weed, I see no benefit to longer flowering times and the foxtailing that often comes with it. GMO with its 13wk flowering time isnāt worth the wait and isnāt very unique, but itās possible some of the really long flowering tropical varieties are worth it because of uniqueness.
Yep, just the tops. This is an open pollination. The point is to attempt to get all the males dropping pollen at the same time so none of them dominate the genepool by being first, thereby preserving maximum genetic potential, rather than getting mostly seeds made by the first guy to pop. This is one way to take males that flower in a similar 2wk window and put them all on the same schedule, as theyāll stay alive in water at least a week or two, just like other flowers.
Also, I canāt have huge male plants dumping that much pollen inside my house. Even if youāre not allergic, I promise youāll become allergic with that much pollen inside the house for weeks. It gets everywhere.
Probably not. I donāt really think small & compact is what you want in general. And I donāt think thatās the best expression of the mom. I think #6 likely is, but weāll see.
Hope that helps.
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Dude thank you, thereās so much in there that I never even thought about. I appreciate your willingness to share, Iām gonna sit down and have a good long think about my strategy for my run. May have saved me some trouble with the Mrs. too not pollen bombing the house 
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nice update on the males. having them out of the room to keep one from dominating is a great idea.
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Nice, this is a good read so far and tons if good info thanks to all !
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Great update on the males. Great idea on the vase thing! Excellent way to save some space. Iām learning a lot here.
Would be great to get your opinion on something though. Letās say I pop a pack of regular seeds and I want to sex the plants so I can separate the males and flip them first to give them a head start. Iāve read and heard that you can flip the plants to 12/12 for a few days then back to 18/6 and they will show sex. Have you ever done this and how early in veg can you do it?
Is there another method you recommend?
Thanks again for the knowledge bombs!
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Dude, your plants look so damn happy. Great work my friend.
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I for one am just glad to see @nube finally contributing more then just his usual emojis ā¦
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Hey happy Monday folks. Glad to help out if I can. Most of what I say is opinion or guesswork, so take what I say with a huge grain of salt. 
I normally veg for long enough to see them show sex naturally, though there are some that wait until the 2nd week of flower to show. You just want to be real sure not to chop females and keep males.
The method you mentioned seems like itād work, but Iāve never done it. Another way to do it is to flower cuttings to see, or you can take the leftover slips that are too small to clone and put them in a vase under low light levels in 12/12 and they will show. You gotta change the water frequently but thatās it.
lol well just wait. Theyāre all about to get pollinated and start going feral. Some take it with more grace than others.
Ahhh good old RIU. Thanks for the laugh! 
Also, hereās a sneak peek at the current sensi run of Cheech Wizard:
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No worriesā¦ I just like to ask people who have done something before me and have some real world experience, some questions about their process. I like getting information from multiple sources and thinking critically before making decisions.
This makes the most sense obviously but I have limited space and time so I was seeing what your thoughts were on the expedited process.
I didnāt realize this was possible, thanks for sharing!
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This is what Iāve been thinking ever since I started reading about breeding, why would we want plants that take longer to flower? If we can shorten flowering times and keep the quality, surely that would be beneficial.
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The explanation I have heard from various sources is that the plants that typically flower first and consequently end up dominating the gene pools are cordage or hemp trait carrying plants. AKbeanbrains referenced this in his potcast interview when he told the story of him and his partners trying to breed a line that they accidentally turned basically back to hemp by choosing what their idea of a āsuper maleā was (I.e. fast growing, earlier flowering) the story goes that if left alone to pollinate in the wild all the drug trait cannabis that weāve cultivated would rather quickly revert to hemp, and itās by these means that most believe it would happen. I donāt know that these considerations are as important for open pollinations since youāre still getting genetic diversity by using multiple males, but hearing that from AKbeanbrains and other similar sounding comments from Subcool and other breeders is what got me thinking on the subject. Might really only apply when youāre picking a stud male to line breed with. Just what Iāve heard, good for thought I suppose
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Yeah this was my exact understanding of it.
That if you took any modern strain and threw some seeds of it in a field and came back in 5 years, youād have hemp. No improvement, no staying the same, it would revert all the way back to hemp/ditchweed at ~5% potency.
And the only logical conclusion as to why that would be the case is, because the early flowering males would be the oneās doing most of the pollination.
I think most every breeder that has done any type of scale or long line-work, has said the sameā¦ One/Two -off breeding, likely not an issue, but depending where the line is when you get it, picking the right male can make a big difference.
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DJ Short said it slightly different but same content.
He also said to get rid of the tallest male(s). ā¦It was a clever remark, but basically if they are putting that effort into fiber production, cull them. 
Cheers
G
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Hello friends! Thanks for the outpouring of support. 
Please share the love with everyone elseās posts here! Make sure you like the post above yours and the post below yours, because everybody deserves love and kindness.
So todayās update is day 28F in the tent. As you can tell, thereās been a bit of leaf plucking and lollipopping, but not too much. I want to leave enough lowers that I have something to reveg, if necessary. Also, I think theyāve stopped their stretch.
This morning, the males had mostly started opening and dropping pollen. So, first thing I turned off the exhaust fan, turned up the circulation fan, and I shook the male tops over each of the female plants, then let the fan blow the dust around. I zipped up the tent and left it like that for a couple hours before turning the exhaust fan back on, just to make sure the pollen got spread around real good. You can see the results of that in the pics.
Pheno #7 the fatty:
Pheno #8 the shorty:
Pheno #9 the tall drink of water:
Pheno #10 the praying sister:
Pheno #11 the stacker:
Thanks for the jog down memory lane with all those DJ Short stories. I think his claims are worth thinking about. If they were true, how would it be possible for landrace strains to be so exceptionally good, despite growing wild all over? Iām talking about the revered landraces, not heirlooms steered by humans. Shouldnāt the landraces have all 100% gone to hemp eons ago, if early males and tall males were the overwhelming dominant genes of natural selection and if both selections lead to hemp in a few generations?
When I listen to interviews of landrace-hunting breeders and collectors, they often say the pure landraces can throw all the same types of stuff you see in the super polyhybrids, without the guiding hand of humans, albeit maybe less frequently and less refined than if people made selections. Irraznig and bodhi and I think even meangene talk about this stuff.
I dunno, Iām no authority, but high quality landraces are a problem for DJās hypothesis. Iād love to see if his claim could stand up to the scrutiny of scientific inquiry. Maybe just the strains he was playing with had this issue, or maybe it was mere speculation, but was never tested. Who knows. But, to me, one nonspecific anecdote from ages ago about a patch going to hemp in āa few generationsā doesnāt really inspire confidence, as we know so many weed industry peeps are known for spinning yarns, bending the truth, or just outright making stuff upā¦ 
Though itās often entertaining, this is why Iām generally skeptical of almost all weed lore, claims and myth.
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man that is looking great in there!!! healthy and happy for sure!! and ur names for them are perfect!!
good job!
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hey @nube cant get on here much at the mo 
im loving your wright ups on everystep man those plants look great
you can really see the love 
your a 
man
sending much love from across the pond (not much round here at the moment 
)
growth in growing 
lime
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Many of the clues to the landrace puzzle are shrouded in the mists of language barriers and translations.I respect the work of Irrazinig and his colleagues. I agree with your point about all landrace wouldāve reverted back to hemp by now, so perhaps the THC and its plant compounds make for a more fruitful existence within the plant kingdom. There is an entire silent dialog that is happening within the plant kingdom, and mankind is completely deaf to those transmissions. Iād like to see a greater gnosis developed around the plant kingdomsā ham radio-quantum web-talkshow. Products like MIDI SPROUT(plant based musical synthesis) are creeping like a kudzu vine toward great discoveries in the landrace āBOOK OF EONSā.
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@nube i really look forward to these updates, thanks for sharing. Your point is well taken, I hadnāt really considered the drug trait landraces that exist without human selection, but it refutes DJ and subs hypothesis pretty soundly. I also think what they were referring to when they spoke about this stuff was relative to selecting a single male as opposed to an open pollination. The more
I think about it the more that has to be the differentiating factor, if youāre throwing pollen from multiple males youāve got to be getting a wide spectrum of genetics as opposed to if youāre choosing just one you might be more likely to suffer from a poor selection. Really loving the discussion man, I feel like Iām learning a lot. The plants look gorgeous! Your work is impeccable my friend!
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My only thought on this thought is, what if all these legendary landraces ARE from selective breedingā¦
Afghan selections for instance, youāre not buying trash weed that was found on the side of the road. Youāre buying family heirlooms that are just called landraces for some reason when these things have been selected for hundreds of yearsā¦
But you make a good point regardlessā¦
Thanks for the update and pics!! Looking pretty successful so far 
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