this was my thought as well. I mean we say it, “dude they’ve been growing this in Afghanistan for, like, a thousand years!” someone has been cultivating it and that means selections were made. we aren’t making selections from Kansas ditchweed for a reason.
What we call landrace in the canna community really should be called heirlooms.
I think that is one problem facing the online growing community is our patchwork understanding of scientific terms. it has led to a canna-creole with many dialects. trying to untangle the mess is frustrating just to think about.
re educating obstant stoners makes herding cats sound like a breeze.
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I am loving this thread! The updates are perfect, the discourse is interesting! Thanks all!
And of course the plants! 
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From my understanding, if left wild without selection, the chemotypes should break down to 25% Type I (THC > CBD), 50% Type II (THC = CBD), and 25% Type III (CBD > THC) in the entire population.
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Looking good @nube! I’m really liking the pics of the sensi bud. What a frosty strain. It’s looking like you got everything done just right. Best vibes sent for the rest of the project. peace
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ttly agree 100%
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Here we are at day 35F for the tent, and the pollination is done. Look at these guys, spent and threadbare after a full week of nonstop lovemaking:
And here’s how the tent looked overall at the end of week 5:
As you can tell, there’s been a lot of leaf plucking, but the Cheech Wizard strain also seems to cannabalize its lower leaves pretty easily if it gets too little water or low light or just isn’t happy. It’s somewhat finicky in that way, but maybe it just doesn’t like what I’m doing? Who knows - if you look at the tops they look happy as pigs in shit, but the lowers are a little saggy and yellowing. There also were a lot of gnats at this point.
But look at that pheno #8 in the middle just doing her thing! I am SHOCKED that she’s made it this far in a 1/2gal with no topdressing. So so so glad I didn’t cull her just because she was slow in the beginning. 
She also leads me to believe that my soil mix needs to be dialed back a little, and that’s something I’ve been actively testing for several runs now. I guess we’ll see.
Here’s some pics of the individual pheno development:
Pheno #7:
Pheno #8:
Pheno #9:
Pheno #10 deserved some glam shots:
Pheno #11 also needed a few extra shots cuz she was looking pretty tasty:
You can see a lot of pistils have died back from the pollination. I’m assuming that means it was successful, but, as you’ll see later, each pheno reacted differently to the pollination. Cannabis is wild and wily! It’s hard to assume too much about her…she’ll surprise you!
Speaking of assumptions, I think it’s so cool to have some lively discussion about DJ Short and others’ claims about early or tall males being bad. @ReikoX I think I’ve read the same, but do you have a reference for that 1:2:1 wild cannabis outcomes claim? I’d love to read more! As for heirlooms vs. landrace, I’m talking about non-selectively bred cannabis. I tried to make that clear since irrazinig and bodhi both talk about it in their interviews, how there are definitely places that have wild cannabis, and some of it is junky but some is exceptional.
And even in the places where it’s cultivated, don’t the early males and tall males still dominate the genepool? I’m sure farmers all over the Middle East and Asia open pollinate each year’s crop on purpose, but don’t cull early males, and yet they still don’t end up with hemp… @irrazinig talks about farmers seeding their crops all the time on his IG. I dunno. I just don’t see a lot of evidence for DJ Short’s stories.
Thanks for the dialog and kindness, everybody. Have a blessed Funday!
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Awwww yeahhh, you know what time it is… it’s SEXY TIME, yeaahhhh 
Looking great bro… I like the looks of those buds.
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Holy sh!t, @nube! You’re gonna get a billion seeds out of this run! I really hope you have help when it comes time to shuck 'em!!
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They went out blastin
All the ladies look phenomenal, especially the top on #8 considering the pot size. Looks alot like #11. All look like amazing phenos you have there, beautiful pics and nice work.
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I recall Dave Watson saying that on Hash Church, maybe it’s in Marijuana Botany by R.C Clarke.
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Thanks @ReikoX and @Oldtimerunderground for the quick responses.
The next question is, why don’t Clarke & Merlin cite a reference to the data used to create that distribution graph? Is it mere speculation? None of the citations in the surrounding paragraphs seem to relate specifically to this data.
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@nube the ladies look amazing man, looking those makes it looks like you cut them off leaving pretty significant amount of thier tops, maybe like 1/2 the plant? do you have a rule of thumb as to what node you like to cut them off at? Or you just eyeball it based on size or floral structure?
As far as the early male discussion goes I hadn’t heard any of the info shared but it all makes total sense, definitely has me questioning the idea of the necessity of culling the early boys.
Run is lookin killer, having a ton of fun watching, keep it up man! 
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I like the flower structure on all of them . #11 is the standout to me.
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Thanks for these! I own the book and its worth having your own copy! Haven’t found any one else go as in-depth… could definitely use an update tho 
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Hes bending over looking for a cigarette 
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Hey ya’ll,
Just want to send a shout to @The_Lazy_Hippie and @nube for putting this altogether. This is my first time being apart of a preservation run (41st on the overflow list). I couldn’t be happier to hopefully help preserve and spread these wonderful genetics. I saw this video https://youtu.be/fqpqNMxiWY4 a couple years ago and it sparked an interest in preserving seeds for future generations.
When I found OG, and saw that y’all are preserving genetics and sharing them with the community; I got super excited. This is such a special thing to be apart of and an important job at that. Thanks again ya’ll!
The plowman is broad as the back of the land he is sowing.
As he dances the circular track of the plow ever knowing
That the work of his days measures more than the planting and growing
Let it grow, let it grow, greatly yield
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After talking to @DougDawson and @willie
I’m putting myself back on the list #48 on over flow. Hopefully I get a couple but not a big deal.
Thanks @nube and @The_Lazy_Hippie for hard work and generosity.
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Day 42F update. Lots of pics and a few comments at the end.
Whole tent:
Pheno #7:
Pheno #8:
Pheno #9:
Pheno #10:
Pheno #11:
I was getting fairly concerned about the pollination at this point because the CW aren’t showing many obvious signs, despite a lot of browning pistils, compared to the other plants getting seeded in there, such as this pheno# 7 of bodhi’s TK x Iraqi, which is very obvious top to bottom:
Guess we’ll see. 
P.S. Thanks again for those Clarke scans, @Oldtimerunderground. He did go into more details and explained some of his thought process, but it was mostly either referencing his own observations or his own speculation. Nothing very concrete or substantiated in there. Would love to see some more scientific exploration of his claims.
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