- it’s true. But some of their shit is truly top shelf. (Judged a cup with some aficionado gear and since they have had my attention)
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Yup, you said it @Fuel, nothing here is a Sour Diesel until chop and test. Only then will we know what is, or is not, a Sour Diesel. Sounds like you’re getting hyper-technical, because there’s only one (1) Sour Diesel cut, and it’s probably long gone by now.
The breeders at Top Dawg, Karma Genetics, AJ, JP strains aren’t Sour Diesel either - they’re using the best strains they can find to make a representation of what Sour Diesel used to be.
That’s the best anyone can do at this point in time.
It’s kind of like what happened to Prince in the 2000s: He was the “artist formerly known as Prince”, but many people continued to call him Prince regardless.
Sour Diesel Riri Cut - I can’t vouch for the genetics myself, but from everything I’ve read , it’s a Rez Sour Diesel IBL phenotype. I believe you can trace the genetics back to the original OG that found the pheno.
But like you said, Rez Sour Diesel, is not Sour Diesel; but that makes it more confusing for everyone - i’s just easier to call it Sour Diesel. And that’s why we assign descriptions for sour diesel strains: “top dawg SD”, “karma SD”, “Riri SD”, “East Coast SD”, and on…
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It’s still around but impossible to find unless you know people that know people and just a matter of time till you find it when clones are around. 9/10 times it’s aj or some bullshit cut.
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Sour diesel is just a generic marketing term as far as i’m concerned.
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Yeah - we can bash their genetics all we want, but they’re in the seed selling business. They’re going to do whatever it takes to sell more seeds.
Are they all crap genetics (probably not)?
Are they all the best genetics (probably not)?
Are they selling seeds (definitely Yes)!
I’ve had Black Lime Reserve (I think they were involved in creating the strain), and it was Excellent. …I know people running Aficionados Pineapple Thai, and are Loving it! I’ve heard their Larry OG is pretty good too,
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Precisely - that’s the point I was trying to make. Well said. 
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It’s with every strain/market, everyone sees something popular and wants a cut. So they make the best knockoff they can, is it complete trash? Possibly not and may fool most people that don’t know the real deal. If you know the real deal well enough then you will know the difference. I havn’t ever came across anything in seed that’s close enough to an original older cut enough to say “It’s it!”.
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Their pineapple sorbet is on point and has some staying power for sure, there are also a few others that stand out. But their recent ‘Sour Diesel’ push I have no idea and can’t speak to it, as I have no experience smoking or growing it.
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Fan leaf on my Pineapple Diesel Cape Goat. Out of the 3 seeds, I got 3 females on this cross. 3 others, 2 of each, were all male tho. More room for this beauty, I guess.
At this point… I guess this plant is about 1/4th “sour diesel”. the Pineapple Express x Sour diesel mix has been great. clones over the winter provided some real nice purple dark buds. It’s been a good solid high. It’ll be interesting to see what the cape goat cross brings out of it. Both are energetic and focused, and uplifting sort of sativa highs.
EDIT: all the plants. before replacing 7 males. Ms Big Leaf on the Right lower corner.
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I love the leaves, it reminds me of super lemon haze i used to grow from bag seeds and takes me back🙂
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By many accounts Mean Gene is a talented breeder, and BLR was the first “collab” he did with Leo. They had a falling out iirc… Seems like Leo was a better marketer, but I also believe he’d won some cups with his work before Gene, so I don’t think he’s the hack, by comparison to Jackson, some make him out to be. I believe Jackson started the Larry and Original Diesel work, but I can’t recall for sure.
Also, my GTR pack was also run indoors, and most others run these packs indoors. But I believe they’re breeding outdoors primarily, which I’m sure is at least a factor in why I didn’t like that pack. Don’t mind me, just trying to feel better about what I spent for a pack that yielded nothing except a weirdo runt that I held onto for too long 
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Aficionado is a kind of UFO. I knew the baselines at breedbay before the label existed ^^ Sub make some collabs too, before the fuzz. It was more about the 350 bucks packs than the line-up. It’s when and where i discovered notsodog and the mendo purp too lol Another one that buzzed on the diesel in being very not the best cases to talk about ^^
Nah, there is valuable people here sharing details on their cuts. And not like in the youtube-game, in talking about the plant more than the lore ^^
Only on three cuts, but i hate the blur to call everything “sour diesel”. Even the fucking autos lol
My problematic, over here in EU, is that the ECSD x NYCD IS the Sour Diesel 
But no the cut is not gone, it’s the reverse : you have more iterations than before. And you can see most of them here, with their details on growth and floral ^^
Because they are simply based on the ECSD, and not the SD.
AJ is not a breeder, it’s like SkunkVA : an holder that can’t output a stabilized line since decades.
He just preserved the cut at one point, like a good time capsule. Rumors say he sell now a variegated S1 … you can’t even count on the past glories in this game ^^
Sincerely, no. They are creating plants that will sell on instagram, that’s the main key of the success of Karma by the way and why so much fakes in USA using his releases : the “bag appeal” that don’t follow much on the smoke when you hold a cut ^^
The problematic with this bitch is that it’s dual : the high is as much important that the terps, it’s a true signature. But if you give up on the intensity, it’s just becoming a musky smoke with fancy tones. Grinding my teeths on three parralel lines atm, as well that trying to produce a decent reversed pollen with the cut since now … 11 months ^^
The only solid truth for me, is that this cut is an hell to work and i asking all you know in breeding to maintain the intensity of the plant. Overall the SD is a freak from another time, ultra recessive, that help a lot to inflate its lore and storytelling. Many cuts in circulation, none seed line created with actually the holders of these cuts in mind ^^
Sharing the details of the cuts and their growth, like this unique SD thread in the game at OG² ^^
It’s very much more important that it’s looking.
Yeah but Prince is not a dozen of clones ^^ And a very specific, singular and unique smoke that link them all with some slight variations (that only holders can figure out, i’m serious on this point).
It’s my nemesis, with all the respect i have for the “label” to have introduced this trend in EU. Me too i was thinking that the rez line was the SD, i discovered this reference early 2000’s only.
And this until an holder get mad at a shesh and that shown me the light (with a blunt of an AJ cut). So i stopped to trash the hype, but the rez line instead. And milked three cuts to the bones in fems 5 years later lol
Everyone that work this cut is knowing the deal and the price to do it. When they release muted seeds, they perfectly known what they do (for those that really work with a SD). But like i said, most of the time holders are not aimed but those that don’t have smuggled the clone yet ^^
I saw the selection in real time in a private swiss board, of this specific cut. As well that an ERSB cut ^^ At this point, we were just buying and collecting the most expensive genetics to unleash it. It don’t turned well, you bet lol And it’s really killing me to see folk calling it SD … i mean this stuff smoke floral and all lol
Not even, almost ten years here that i try to form and recruit without much success. Behind the scene, there is some constraints you can’t fuck around with. Or people just don’t return to you and it’s the end of the game. Most of labels don’t do shit to weight something, they prefer to juggle with dramas from their losted islands … imagining that they are representing more than 1% of the total volume, all together. When big collectives are more than necessary today to face the giants.
Historically, it’s with Mendo Dope and Subcool ^^ Yeah i’m often a douchebag like this lol
BBayer inside, i even saw notsodog pushing his (good) mendo purp stuffs there.
You know what, even surrounded one cut and its outcrosses … the weed is always missing the fuck for the wake & bake. I really hesitate to say that it’s the best starter kit that i know, she’s fighting in the hazes category without being one.
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Every breeder and seed bank is using the “Sour Diesel” cut they were able to source - as a basis for their genetics (it doesn’t matter from whom, or where). You can’t claim to know real Sour Diesel, unless you were there when it was first created, period.
For example, back in the late 1980’s, early 1990’s - The Seed Bank of Holland was selling “Garlic Bud” beans…and at some point, it was grown in the USA, producing a pheno the had a unique “Chemmy-Funky” strain, which made it’s way into the hands of ChemDog. Please note - there’s probably other people too, that got something similar back in those days - The Seed Bank’s strains were new, and variable. They were nice genetics for sure, available to many.
Once ChemDog got it, he went on to spread the strain (pheno) - and it floated around the scene - people did whatever they wanted to do with it (some grew it, some used it in breeding, etc). This is the beginning of “ChemDog” genetics (so, it’s a Garlic Bud pheno renamed) - people gave it the name ChemDog, because that’s the name they associated it with.
You see, it all started with a SEED (NOT a clone). …And once that strain started going around, someone crossed it to their Massachusetts Super Skunk; and boom 
- now we have the birth of Sour Diesel 
. …And my point is - unless you got those original seeds (or possibly a clone from original seeds), you can’t claim to have original Sour Diesel. It’s as simple as that.
The various names of Sour Diesel reflect the person, seed bank, location of the strain - at a specific point in time. …So, I’ll continue to use the best description I can - and it’s all Sour Diesel.
Top Dawg
Karma Genetics
RiRi Cut
Aficionado cut
AJs cut
…and the list goes on.
That’s my point, my friend - NOT one of those breeders was there when the original Sour Diesel was born. 
You give me five (5) growers, and you’ll get five (5) different Sour Diesels.
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Exactly it was Landerace Afghani x Hawaiian Haze crossed to it creating super dope 80’s. Both the cuts are identical and straight fuel terps. I believe chem was crossed to it in the early 90’s creating diesel.
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I get your sentiment, but I also am content with what Sour Diesel is today. I only started smoking in the late 90’s - weed was all black market, it was back ally’s and convenience store meet ups. In an unfamiliar town? Had to do your due diligence and sniff out the right guy. No weed had any names. The only name I remember anything being called in those days is ‘Hydro’.
I grew out Karma’s SD recently, and it was a blast from the past, coined name or not, its now MY SD, my truth of what SD is. It’s how I remember alot of random bags to be. A real memory jog from my ‘Good Ol Days’
Folks can go back and forth all day about being ‘Genuine’ or original, in the end its all relative. That Karma SD hit a nostalgic chord, and that is what I will associate with SD, that flavour, that smell, that stone.
Now that the Cannabis scene has opened up, people not scared of doing time able to grow and smoke freely, we are seeing more documentation, and more trackable traceable genetics. Sure with the old ones we can winge about whats original and whats not. But thats not the point anymore.
So lets all stop our wanking about and just enjoy the irriterations of today for what they are. I fuckin love the SD I have come to know as SD, and knowing the original from the 80’s, what the fuck is that? Does anyone actually have a clue. Beyond that it’s all hear say, we know what we are working with now, we know what SD has come to be now.
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Karma sour diesel are the best seeds and closest to the original.
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the CLONE is what most the claims are about.
claims are “I have the original clone Sour)”
“I bred with the original clone (sour)”
My question to you @Tomahawk
How do you account for 20-20+ years held “Clones”?
not the Many crosses renamed
or SEEDS from the “Original clone” under which we have many names.
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That being said
a lot of the crosses from the “Original Sour” are just as good if not better
depending on where in the country it was grown and adapted too.
To have the “Original Sour” you need not be there when it was born. BUT have access to the “Original Sour” clone from 25+ years ago (which many claim to have, thus the confusion)
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BTW some of those “Original sour” clone crosses that have been held 20/15/10 plus years have earned there keep as well. Under the many names and breeder names you need not have been around to access those now a days, hence all the “Original Sour” Clone chasing.
some prefer to Hunt
some prefer to cut to the chase and get a “Verified” old clone
to each their own
Besides tose points I agree with most you have said though
Hapi sour hunting
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I don’t know what that means? Are you talking past tense or what am I missing? What about this old clone seems like a lot of nonsense keeping an old clone around when you could use micropropagation to at least slow the mutation rate down right?
You said it Brother… I’ve got a few Karma SD, along with few others. I’ll pick the Sour Diesel I like best - regardless of the “name/breeder”
Even though I can’t deduce anything from the sprouts - the Karma Sour Diesel is looking a lot more “NLD” vs. some of the other SD looking “WLD”. Still very early, much can change throughout growth, but Karma’s are looking real nice!
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I’m sorry if this is a dumb question but what’s nld- wld?
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