Your plants are a real painting!
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It smells a lot like the TK s1s from CSI. Hard to pin down a proper description but in general I’d say bright or fresh but not fruity . Floral with light fuel and a touch of pencil savings perhaps. Not foul at all like a Sour Chem.
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I’m a little hesitant to pick this up, it’s says it was tested last year, that’s not soon enough to get put into my mom room.
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I wouldnt trust strainly for cuts, theres much more reputable options out there on discord.
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Seeing this is why i keep growing these lines…i know i will eventually get those structures…feeding during flowering in soils was a learning curve im trying to recover from lol
first time growing these lines and im in love.
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That Sour D looks nice, and the aroma you describe - is what I would expect for a Sour Diesel “aroma description”. …like if you get the “foul - mothballs, diesel oil rags, motor oil” - that is indeed “Chem”. I find if anything is bred with chem diesel - it will usually dominate in the hybrid.
…I’ve heard Uncle Doobie describe his Sour Diesel “A” cut, having a “GAS” aroma - curious if anyone out there has any experience with it?
off topic - I’ve got some Super Skunk going at the moment - and if I had to describe the stem rub aroma - I would call it “gas” (that was last week); and today I would describe it as “burnt rubber”. Aromas (especially Chem Diesels), have a tendency to change throughout the grow cycle. One thing is certain - it’s LOUD funky - 1.5 month old, not showing sex yet…getting ready to flip to 12/12.
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…some pics are nice & green - others have the yellow shriveled leaves - is this an under feeding?
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Once the ONYCD started flowering i needed to amend and i waited alittle too long to feed, lesson learned! Luckily for me im patient and willing to wait my mistake out trying to bring them back without overcaring for them. The dirty taxis are some of the most vibrant ive seen in awhile…wondering if any of you have pollen i could knock up a couple branches of her with…2 of the 3 taxis are worthy of that attention imho.
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I was a “Grow Master” back in the 1990’s and early 2000’s; and took a long needed 10 year break. And now back in the scene - everything has evolved, much has changed. The one consistent thing - is just watch your plants - keep a “schedule” for the basics (water & nutrients), and they will tell you when they’re hungry (if light feeding) - and the plant is an overall hungry plant to begin with.
Since we’re talking Sour Diesel - a lot of people are talking about the “looks, aroma, taste, bag appeal” - but, they’re leaving out the MOST IMPORTANT characteristic : Effect!
The Sour Diesel should produce a “get up and go, soaring high”, talkative, sociable, laughing effects… A sour diesel needs to produce those effects. period. Everything else is secondary. …It seems a lot of the strains I read about today, don’t have those magical effects. Regardless if it smells good, looks good, etc., etc…
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Hey, I’m right there with you: I’m in the middle of New England - very HIGH Humidity, similar to a Rain Forest; and rain & storms are forecast for later today to break this Heat Wave. If you’re in central New England - you know what I’m talking about: all the strains being grown out in the Very Dry South West suffer around here - It really takes very good genetics to make the full season here.
…As far as the “freeze & thaw” - you should be alright, as long as everything was packaged properly (even if it’s open - just make sure you tie it up tight). …I leave most of my products outdoors, and they go through sub zero temperatures, all the way through 100 degree heat waves. …I agree, if you can keep them in a stable environment -it’s much better. However, the bottom line is this - if it’s stored “properly” - they have a very long shelf life. And if they’re going through extremes, the shelf life is reduced.
Think of it like this: if you have seeds stored in your Refrigerator, they’ll probably last many years. On the other hand, if your seeds are stored in an outdoor shed, with the blazing sun & heat hitting them - that’s going to greatly reduce their viability. As an example (before I got serious about genetics, and preservation of seeds) - I had a pack of seeds in my dresser drawer that were almost ten (10) years old (along with some others that were the same age); and when I went to germinate them - I thought there was NO WAY they would sprout, …and after a very slow start, I started to see seeds popping through the soil. This is my point - although poorly stored, the “strong” genetics came through, while the others didn’t.
Same thing applies to compost (and additives) - the quality products will work. Don’t be sucked into the marketing “sell by date”; this is a good identifier of date, but quality products will be good for many years more (this doesn’t apply to everything - certain items do break down over time). …If you can, try to store them in a “cool, dry, place - like a basement”.
Ok, …I’m rambling now - time to go outside and get some work done…But, IT’s SO DAM HOT!
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Isn’t that a shame these big clone companies keeping your money or sending you horrible cuts.
I’ve had so many people.Is not even funny.Emerald triangle
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^^ The worse is that i agree 100% (now that i know your style better), it saved my soul during 3 years of surgical nightmare. It’s really a singular strong high, one of the rares that i grown that is compliant with all kind of stoner’s receptors. No bleached faces, no “let me chill in the empty bathtub one hour please” (more with the JH but you see the kind lol), no puking etc … in staying strong.
But one more time you’re wrapping it in a dangerous way. If you harvest the cut at 60, she become a racy anti-sleep weed that kick your ass the morning like this :
Around 70-75, i will dare to say that it’s quite euphoric. Not the “booze way”, body reflexes stay sharp and it’s even dope with boxing training (with the high). I do a lot of graphics aside, it’s my fav’ window to never be in lack of inspiration or ideas. At 60 or fully matured, it’s not happening. A bit like this (don’t get me wrong, it’s NOT a cerebral weed like the JH. Just pure inspiration that you put in lungs :
At senescence well advanced (let’s say 80ish), it’s becoming a full experience that I’ve hard time to describe lol ^^ I know :
Still a strong high and you have to take care to don’t become chatty with people you don’t know well or that don’t know you well lmao You pass in a kind of “i don’t give a damn fuck” mode, but an active one ^^
Now the last and the most important point : SDs are fucking commandos, but like the others if the health is fucked the cannabinoïds will too. Her insane hunger play a role as well, specially at mid flo when it’s critical for the chemotype. Add on it those that train her like a northern light, defoliate her, SOG her like a dutchie (self-ashaming on this one ^^) …
You can’t dodge a more “holistic” approach, that’s how you don’t get fucked with fakes and musky storytelling (more prevalent on SD than any other cut). I can apply this description to the AJ/Untagged but not to the ECSD (even if we stay in the vein, but the high is much more elegant and sharp. My “meme” mnemonics will not work at all).
AJ’s Sour Diesel
Tissue Culture Clones, Tier 2, Clones
I hardly pass, and i think that we are living atm the “yesterday” of a big drama on TCs accessions ^^
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They say all themselves imho.
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You read my mind; and you know the Sour Diesel I talk about.
…I’m starting to think about Harvest (still a couple months away - I’m about to flip to 12/12); because too early will be racy, and too late will be (insert description)?
So do you recommend letting them go a little longer, to get the best Sour Diesel effects I speak of? …i.e. when the hairs have all turned, and trichomes are about to start getting amber? …I hate waiting too long - I find the longer I let strains go (wait to harvest) - the more “narcotic” the effects are.
Also - since we have discussed Sour Diesel - and you know where I’m coming from; I have Sour Diesel strains described as "almost black-out effects, can turn you “green”. I think this applies to the “Day Wrecker Diesel” type - which is in the Sour Diesel family, but not necessarily real Sour Diesel. As you know - I believe real Sour Diesel will put wings on your shoes, get up and about - doing anything and everything, talking with everyone around you, socializing, laughing, energetic - I would call it “day maker”. (the opposite of a “day wrecker strain”)
When I talk to people, and they describe their “Sour Diesel” as a “sit down, do nothing” type effects - that reminds of a strong Chem Dawg Diesel - it’s leaning towards it original Northern Lights Heritage - very narcotic, relaxing, sleepy, and hungry… I do NOT consider these effects to be Sour Diesel at all.
There’s people out there (I won’t name names) that offer Sour Diesel with those effects. …This is the debate, and difference between “real Sour Diesel”, and “Diesel”… I’m a fan of the former, rather than the latter.
You probably know what I mean 
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It’s a part of my love now (in being an initial hater of the hype ^^), these staged highs. They are really on their own, each. Just like her sequential “frankenstein-made” growth, somehow.
To smoke her “conventionnally”, i will tell 70-75 days on the AJ/Untagged. My cut now is “perfect” at exactly 73 but it’s too linked with maintenance and style to be an ironed intel.
Context : Traditional “merican” grow. High density of light (never tested under LEDs), a good month of veg to obtain a good thickness of branching, thick soup, still testing her in all ways i can but … for now a 10 liters volume look like to please her. Trying the 5 liters volume right now. Tried : C30, 1.8 liter, 2.0 liters, 3.5 liters, C10.
I generally flower half “normally” and flower half “shiva styled”, i like to have both jars at a time. I’m even mixing both in a cones sometimes, it’s more to have a tailored high that farming can’t obtain.
And it’s when we are in the obligation to be a bit douchebags and elitists openly bro.
Sour Diesel still an elite smoke with a justified “never-ending hype”, give it to a hemp smoker hipster and he will be wiped for sure ^^
For a more sturdy profile, the nug of DW i got was not in the bleaching face dept at all. But the “black out” feeling make sense to me.
It’s a really nice concise description. Daywrecker really ruin your day like any good heavy Kush ^^
Only the chem#4 in my books, with a strong narco profile that please to most of “psychonauts”.
But keep in mind the hipster stereotype in the equation … some are just not made to smoke weed too.
Like i’m not made to drink booze too often (for a French it’s like being worth to be thrown from the cliff at birth, spartan way ^^).
C91 is quite stone but don’t incapacitate. ChemD and its hybrids are my fav SD alt, even if the high is more agressive, less deep and less universal ^^ And taste totally out of range lol
And it’s a fucking complication for the BXs, you need the right dose of NL for the floral but too much turn your line way too reinforced on the C91 side.
I will finish your cocky half-declaration, because i share it : for me Chems are NLs singularities.
It’s not a valuable intel in my own eyes, just my personal opinion on the matter.
I dislike stoners that are tempting (all the year round) to eradicate the legacy for their personal profits.
But that’s not what make me sad the most. This cut have ~30years, it’s not supposed to be even possible. We have a big mea culpa to do as community in 2025 about this, it’s our entire fault and not so the fault of those that saw a blurry backdoor to exploit. I don’t excuse them either.
All allies in the SD sect are welcome, it’s the Augeas stables that we have to clean 
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He has another great post on ICMag too. @Swimyenobi has a real good one out there too. Maybe THC farmer? I have a pretty good size file I’ve been saving over the years of SD and Chem stuff.
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The way id describe these flowers would be taking a Zyn for the first time for me. reading those posts between you two was informational! I have one of the ONYCD that seems to be alot thicker in flower then the other but time will tell, Im expecting them to go till july 15th
I dislike stoners that are tempting (all the year round) to eradicate the legacy for their personal profits.
But that’s not what make me sad the most. This cut have ~30years, it’s not supposed to be even possible. We have a big mea culpa to do as community in 2025 about this, it’s our entire fault and not so the fault of those that saw a blurry backdoor to exploit. I don’t excuse them either.
All allies in the SD sect are welcome, it’s the Augeas stables that we have to clean
I couldnt agree more!
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I think it’s normal for people to have different memories of Sour Diesel. Since it was so popular and fetched top dollar, anyone growing anything even remotely Chem/Diesel that could pass as Sour Diesel probably sold it as Sour Diesel.
Thus you have a lot of people associating dark, heavy, Chem and original diesel type highs and profiles as Sour Diesel.
The Sour Diesel I remember circa 2005-2008 was Sour, skunky, fuelly, lemon/lime (Not fruity, just lemon/lime like pure citric acid smell/7up/sprite especially in Sour Diesel concentrates) neon/lime green with dark dark green leaves, peach pistils.
This was a clone called East Coast Sour Diesel.
The high I called green cocaine. Very up, feel like a million bucks, day brightener, top of the world, soaring.
I think Many people that experienced Sour Diesel, especially later, experienced a heavy Chem type and thus most of the search now revolves around heavy Chem types.
People associating Sour Diesel with garbage, rot, axel grease and other dark Chem profiles. Is probably just another cut sold as Sour Diesel. There are probably dozens of Sour Diesels much like OG Kush in California. People find bag seeds and get their own cut. Some people think OG Kush is lemony others think it’s earthy dank.
I have a seed line made by BeanHo up here in Canada, Sour Diesel x SSH and the Sour cut he used seems to be along the lines of my memory and the high is fantastic but I don’t like the SSH contribution to the flavour and aroma.
Another seed line that reminds me a lot of this Sour Diesel is Headbanger by Karma.
Apparently the ECSD clone I remember is still up here in Canada but not many people grow it anymore because she’s old, finicky, low yield, and delicate flowers that don’t hold up well to transport. Usually when I bought a bag it would have broken down to all small buds just from being moved around.
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The sour you remember having is very similar to the one I picked up and loved enjoying here on the west coast of the USA. I’m in Washington state and I’d get a piney citrusy sour D that would instantly get me chipper and ready to crush the day, pure working man’s weed. Miss the heck out of it. I never grew it back then in the 2006-2010 days, couldn’t get the cut off if anyone, but the ones who held her said she would yield heavy when you had her dialed. You say you have a seed line with the SSH in it that’s similar to what you remember having? Do you have a bunch of seed? I’d love to make a trade with you for some if possible? Or whatever you think it would take to get a couple, that is if you’re willing to part with some.
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I have like half a pack left. I’ll get around to making seeds with them sooner or later then I’ll have plenty to share. Definitely on my list, but there’s a lot on the list haha. I’m sure you know how it is. Here’s one of the phenos, this one is more Sour dominant with rounder tops while the SSH pheno was more spikey. Like I said, in the two females I ran there’s a bit too much SSH influence for my liking but I’m sure there’ll be lots of cool stuff in the F2
One huge giveaway to me for sour is see even though she was underfed and all of her big leaves have gone pale/faded, she still has the super dark green dog tongues. To me if it doesn’t have that it’s not Sour. Most of the Diesels and Chems also have this trait but sometimes people post Sour Diesel that is just not even in the ballpark and doesn’t have that trait.
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