My bill is even higher per killawatt 
. California is cash grabbing with all the utilities. All of my bills have more than doubled in the last 2 years. The sad part is they doubled two years before that Cheers @sober
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Straight insanity out in California man. They really need to swap it out to a Government owned utility company. Do you have solar at all? I swapped to solar and while it doesn’t cover all of what I use it covers more than half and it cut my costs down from 800 to about 400 (including the monthly cost of the solar.)
If we go with what weasel said in the other podcast there should be a wide variety of cuts as he sold a half lb loaded with seeds of First Gen Sour Diesels.
I won’t be able to try the flower out until the second cycle. Following my friend’s procedure to do Spinosad + Sulfur on incoming clones. After a Gen or two of clones out they’ll be flower ready for me.
Gaby Sour Cut
Albany Sour Cur
Wing Wang Sour Cut Front, Albany Sour Cut Rear ( took out necrotic tissue as it came with some)
707 headband Cut (also took out necrotic tissue as it came with some)
Ghost OG Cut
Josh D OG Cut
‘91 Chem Cut
GG4 Josey Wales Cut
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Beautiful Garden @sober 
My neighbors and co worker all have it and owe the power company thousands. Basically you’re making payments on an estimate but at the end of the year you’re ponying up the difference. A lot of people owe between six and 10,000 for the year… til all that gets worked out I ain’t doing anything like that Cheers @sober
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Oh snap that’s a lot of cash they must be using a lot of power or don’t have enough panels.
I pay the true up bill monthly instead of yearly as it’d be 3k at the end of the year otherwise. I still end up paying less than 50% of what I paid before solar.
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I am definitely looking at options. I like the ground panels. There is a few people around me running them. I am looking into options roof/ground mounted every 30 days I think about it agian lol 
Cheers @sober
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Now that I’ve had my 1st experience growing Sour Diesel, for the next round, I’m going to include ECSD (East Coast Sour Diesel)- that keeps getting rave reviews from all growers. And if anyone here has grown it - does it keep that loud sour diesel funk after cure?
Finding ECSD seed seems a lot more difficult to source. Luckily, @Shoreline has some of the fire. You can view results on his thread, and I was just reading up on @Spitfire thread.
Spitfire’s perpetual nightmare(fka SourD hole)
That ECSD looks fire. Would be interesting to see how is stack’s up against what @sober is doing with all “Sour Diesel” cuts.
Also - lots of other useful info:
@Jutachi - is your ECSD from Shoreline stock, or a different source?
Finally, I see Shoreline’s ECSD finished flower and it’s “darker colored” - anyone know why this happens? …anyone grow it out, and find some green phenos (update: I saw a few that were “green” - i think it was Shoreline’s ECSD) ?
PS: If there’s any other ECSD seed breeders out there, or if anyone knows a source - please reach out, I’m interested to have a few for comparison. (Cannaventure has an ECSD fem. line - don’t know anything about his genetics)
Also, have some old beans of “Petrol Tank” from West-EU genetics (this looks to be some fire), and old “Chocolate Diesel” (don’t know breeder) from SeedHeaven. …I’ve seen pics of the Chocolate Diesel - some green, and some color from the indigo diamond in the Chocolate Trip.
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@Tomahawk I can finally hop in this thread with something to actually contribute to the convo lol got a clone of Zowah yesterday
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Nice - Karma’s genetics are some of the best imo.
For the next run, I’m only going to do Sour Diesel, ECSD, and “diesel family” genetics. I’ll be going down the “sour diesel hole” - looking for the best, stankiest, A#1 keepers. I’ve collected a bunch from boutique home growers and such - that are only working with the best they could find - some strains they’ve held for years.
I don’t know anything about breeding - but is it wise to cross Sour Diesel strains with each other? One guy told me that’s the worst thing I can do.
But if I find some spectacular specimens, I would like to breed them… and keep it going down the line - creating the ultimate sour diesel, or ECSD. …because a lot of the “big breeders” (I’m not going to name names) - seems like they’re putting out generic versions, that don’t match up to the classic we all know and love. For them - it’s all about seed sales, and keep you looking for the “one”, so you continue to buy their expensive beans.
Like I’ve said before - I’m finding the best genetics from “fair priced” beans - and some free strains passed to me to check out. Breeders like West-EU and his Sour Diesel RiRi - at $40 a pack, you can’t go wrong. When it comes to the more expensive beans, the only breeder I can vouch for is Karma Genetics Sour Diesel - that’s some of the best sour I’ve found from seed. (all the other “big name brands” are lacking). That’s my limited experience so far…
My thought is - just keep all the “winners”, and breed with them, and keep breeding them down the line - to get the ultimate Sour Diesel expression.
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Karma’s: New York Amsterdam Sour
JJ Sour D bx4 x Karma’s Sour D bx2
Copy/paste description :
" New York Amsterdam Sour Regular Cannabis Seeds by Karma Genetics came to fruition after Karma Genetics had grown out several different Sour Diesel lines from other breeders to search for one worth combining with their legendary creation, the Karma Sour D Bx2 . Finally, Karma Genetics found a worthy example with JJ of Topdawg s’ creation, the Sour D Bx4 … The J.J. Sour D Bx4 has a lot more diesel notes than the Karma Sour D Bx2 line, and it tends to flower a little faster with more rounded buds whilst packing the classic full-on Sour Diesel profile. The combination resulted in a more compact, tight bud flower formation when compared to the Karma Sour D Bx2. NY Amsterdam Sour provides an excellent pool selection pool to find your staple Sour cut. NY Amsterdam sour needs to be flowered to the final finish line and once you think she’s finished, Karma Genetics advises that you wait a few extra days. NY Amsterdam Sour loves to finish with a low Nitrogen and High potassium to finish the flowering period. NY Amsterdam Sour is a 10 to 12-week flowering strain producing high sour diesel yields."
This is some of my favorites. I grew up with haze, so for reference which I mean with ‘clear headed’. This Sour D cut gives me such a stupid grin on my face, I am creative but fairly ‘dumb’, like a happy golden retriever… And the taste is to addictive 
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Sour Diesel RiRi Cut Bx2
the only cutting that sprouted roots - going into ProMix (I added a few tablespoons of worm casting to sweeten up the transition)
Transplant Day:
And about a week later, we have Re-Veg!
She was my only “keeper clone” from last round (I have too many seeds I want to get to). And she was grown in the most brutal conditions - high temp, no ventilation, stress, etc - and she never showed hermies, and never skipped a beat. She is “the classic Sour Diesel” - she has the aroma & looks: skunky fuel up front, with a sour finish & monstrous buds - very sticky…it has that “dour” everyone talks about. And the dried buds are a light lime green in the bag - probably the lightest green colored buds I’ve seen.
She has everything you want in sour diesel - the aroma stank out the house, the buds are absolutely enormous, super sticky lime green. Like I said, she took a lot of abuse. Now that I’ll be able to grow from clone, I’ll “dial it in”… (i.e. set up ventilation, and keep temps down). After I dried, and it’s still in cure - the aroma isn’t as loud - you have to stick your nose into the bag. But once you get that whiff - you say “oh yeah, this right here is the shit”. It’s a perfect blend of skunky fuel, and sour. …just not as loud as it was in flower. (full transparency here)
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None of my sours are from someone elses stock or anything like that. They are Clone Only. ECSD is clone only. Anyone selling seeds of ECSD I’d be VERY careful with buying. They are either Bx or somepeople say they sell S1s but ECSD is known for being dam near impossible to get viable pollen from. Ive never bred with her just going off what I read. A lot of people like using the sour name to get sales etc. I wouldnt trust any ECSD seeds personally. I wouldnt call any new cut from seeds “the classic sour” because it isnt, if it remind you of it then thats one thing lol. Jus adds more confusion to the already giant messy pile of sours. Sour Diesel RiRi cut is different than Sour Diesel RiRi Cut Bx2. I wouldnt call them the same. Adds more confusion that’s unnecessary. If I grew and found a keeper from sour D riri bx2 I wouldnt try to call it the actual RiRi cut. Not saying you are, but its really easy to forget to add bx2 to what you’re calling it and then we would think we are talking about the ACTUAL RiRi cut.
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The Sour D seeds are a backcross. I’ve been selling the ECSD bx seeds since 2018. Probably more reviews than any of the other strains, and I’ve offered the same breeder cut for many years.
My personal favorite is the Sour Goat (Golden Goat x Sour D). I like Sour Goat more than any cut of diesel and customers have been saying the same thing. This after crossing it to everything and breeding with it for years.
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Thanks for clearing that up makes perfect sense. I figured if anyone was talking about ECSD seeds they would be a Bx. Can we get some pics in this thread of your ECSD breeder cut? are you talking about the Clone Only ECSD or a cut you found from seeds you made? I think a local homie of mine got an ecsd cut from ya before. Could be remembering wrong. We just gotta make sure people talking about actual ECSD Clone Only and ECSD from seeds know that they are two different things.
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A bit off topic but on reveging, could you just prune the roots off to fit a one gallon and just leave a bit on the stock and reveg that way?
I use beds for my plants and have pulled up a male out, potted it, and it was healthy enough to continue flowering so I could collect pollen.
I kinda hate taking clones of everything.
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Where can I find said sour goat?
Yea. When I reveg plants lets say i forgot to take a back up. I usually will harvest the top buds and leave the lowers and some leaves etc.I pull the plant out the pot, I trim the roots back a bit like you would a bonsai and put some new coco to make sure the pot is full like it was before and let her do her thing under 24 hr light cycle. I got 4 or 5 revegging rn using that technique and they all are revegging successfully(so far)
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Check out GLG, Shoreline has several sours on there 
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Im trying to get caught up on orders for the Sour Goat cut, it will be a little while. Also trying to get a couple other trustworthy clone sellers who will be carrying it. Its my favorite high, definitely sativa.
Jaws is posting in the Jaws Grow log and making seeds with it.
If I get a chance to post pics I’ll post in the Shoreline thread.
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Yes - I’m not trying to make any false claims. The “Sour Diesel RiRi cut” was held for over 15 years now, and we have a chance to experience the “Bx2” seed version - and you can see I always include “Bx2”, and label it for what it is.
A lot of people claiming to have a cut from early 90’s stock - that’s a red flag and folklore at this point in time. The best that’s out there are early Y2K cuts - yes, I believe in those. And your ECSD looks on point man - for sure. I believe you have a winner there.
But I’m a seed guy - all those cuts came from seed 1st. So if someone working with some elite cuts, and making BX or F2, etc. - yes, it’s not going to be “original cut” - but the seeds will express many phenos; some will actually be an improvement over the original cut, and some will not.
And the Sour Diesel RiRi Cut Bx2 - I had a few different ones, and settled on this one. It’s crazy, because it actually has the sharp hint of skunky sour gas - I haven’t had that in any of the other strains. It’s a very unique “dour” aroma - it’s unlike anything - only a few strains have it. And the bud structure (monstrous & sticky) is like you say - what I remember from the past - a light green color.
I still have more beans to pop, and I know I’ll find that loud, loud eventually. This was it, until it dried, and is in cure. It’s not as “loud” as it was growing, but has that classic “dour” aroma - is the only way I can express. The other strains didn’t have that - and they had really great aromas too.
I’m just happy to have a cut that rooted - I took about 10 cuts, if not more, and none rooted. With the scarcity of beans available - it’s so very nice to have a good representation.
Back in the early 90’s, I got a mix of beans from a dude who was involved with serious growers from all over. I popped all of them - numbered them, and #5 was a Massachusetts Super Skunk. That was “the one”, and was the only thing I grew for 15+ years… We were living in Amherst, and Western Mass. - going to Grateful Dead shows on the East Coast, and word traveled that way - up and down the coast. Everyone that wanted a clone, got a clone. But it didn’t last forever; the scene slowly winded down, and by 2010 I sadly lost the clone.
We had the Massachusetts Super Skunk; and Chem Dog Greg lived a town over - and he was pumping out Chem Dog strain. It’s possible these strains crossed paths - I don’t know.
But it’ possible Sour Diesel predates 1990; because we had a strain in 1991 that absolutely was the best thing I ever tried. It was Skunky AF, effects were soaring happiness, and the taste was incredible. It lasted for a year at least - came around every few months, but then the connect disappeared. Poof…and just like that, it was gone.
Ok - I’ll stop rambling; but i love to reminisce about the good ol’ days. 
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Yes indeed - jut leave enough “green growth” on it. And change light cycle back to "veg’ - some people do “24hrs on” just to shock it, but i do 18/6 - which is plenty of light (more than nature).
I haven’t done it in years, but we were just talking about it - and the best thing you can do (your actually doing it - because it’s coming out of a bed) - is give it fresh soil, with some worm casting or humus (or both).
When the new roots hit the fresh soil, it triggers them to “re-grow”, along with the long day light cycle. Just be patient - it takes time.
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