So after hearing the recent episodes of the Pot Cast with Bodhi, I was really inspired by the idea of “light cycle of a pollinated plant doesnt matter”. Including the idea of putting seeded plants back in veg, or even outside to finish ripening the seeds. In all my years of growing, it was an idea that had never crossed my mind. As life would have it, there’s also been a really interesting article on “speed breeding” circulating around OG which is basically 2 week veg on 24/0, running 12/12 until the males start dropping pollen, then put everything back into 24/0 until finish.
With all this new information, I was determined to test all these theories, and have found them all to be true, and very possibly game changers. Specifically the indoor to outdoor trick. Ive already had great results with my 91 x SSDD coop repro, with just a little added light in a cheap opup greenhouse to account for the cloudy days. But now that it’s warm out, there’s no reason why I cant pull off another good 2 or 3 repros by winter. Even if folks just pollinated a special couple plants here or there in a closed off small popup greenhouse in a corner of the yard, it could really move breeding projects forward, without wasting precious indoor space dedicated to sensi production.
I’ve even had a plant I put back into veg(18/6) after being pollinated start to reveg before the seeds were ripe. Ive had it happen once bringing in a seeded outdoor plant, but never quite using this method. So I am going to let that one rock and see if it’s not something easily repeatable. But the idea of having seeds and a plant already partially revegged can in theory save a ton of time and space.
Does anyone else have any experience with running stuff indoors, then sticking them outside to pollinate/putting pollinated plants in different light cycles? I’d love to hear any tips and tricks.
Doing that as we speak, I try to do a seed increase from December to June each year , so I will germinate seeds mid end dicember , let them growing outdoors adding up to 5 ours of artificial light until end February then cut the supplemental light and let it do until beginning of June, I can confirm they do not re veg
Im on my 2nd seed run outdoors in Va. First was a set of Marcs Mistress x chemox WW. 2 males , 1females. The males are now down and the female has a few weeks left to finish the seeds. Second is Hiemes Durban which i set out in April and they went to flower, which i have been covering since last week. They are pollinating now. Small one is Cripxmas making seed.
As soon as the males are finished in the tank , i will leave the females in to make seed while i transplant the Pre98 Bubbas in there for flower as the females finish and are removed. Should be 3 separate pollinations done before actual flowering begins.
I assume if dudes like Bodhi are doing it on a commercial scale with no issues, it should be all good? Im running a few testers from a few lines/crosses now, and so far they seem to be totally normal. I did it with my lavender line, so I have a real good idea what to expect at least. Ill be sure to report if theres any wonky-ness. But so far so good.
Ive been staggering it to every 2-3 weeks, and its been working wonderful. Im also making sure every batch has fully seeded ladies and is wet down before starting the next round outside. Last thing I want is cross pollination getting too freeform with it lol
Badass! Im stoked others are having great results with it as well.
Just finished my test run of it which was a success so now I’m prepping some clones to grow out for pollination with this technique. Since the intention is seeds not bud, I’m thinking I can adjust the amount of seed from a plant i get by vegging longer and/or pollinating later into flower when there are more pistols to pollinate.
I’ve been doing this a couple of years. Super simple, doing it now, have 3 strains going now.
Using staggered timing, and pollenated in different tents.
Then eat the males. Females go outside in the ground to mature the seeds, some are viable and tigerstriped in only 35 days.
Manually remove the seeds.
She then revegs for a few months under the Sun, and reflowers for smoke in the fall.
when you do this, does the plant still go to end of life and die off or do you need to keep track of timing on when to harvest seeds? I ask because i normally run 12/12 till the plant dies off, then harvest the seeds
If I keep blasting them with N, yeah I gotta keep track of the seeds instead of letting them die off like you mentioned. In that case, Ill keep track of the days, as well as pull a seed out here or there to verify.
I totally get where you’re coming from, but I dont think so? I think it’s more just tricking them into thinking theyre being popped right in fall, then once theyre pollinated they dont seem to care at all about light cycle. As long as theyre getting enough DLI to get those seeds to ripen real nice.
I have two that should be ripe already or very close to it, so i figured i would give this a try, tho they should have been near the end of their life cycle.
Right, i got that, but these plants you have outside…lets look at @Crawlin-Bear63 method.
Take the pollinated plants, dig them in ground. Harvest but allow to reveg then she flowers, then you could reveg again, harvest, reveg again, harvest, reveg, seed it, harvest, reveg, flower…the plant never dies…and is a permanent growth?
Not derailing at all! Its a very vaild point. Ive heard rumors around the Bay Area of plants in the Santa Cruz mountains pre-Reagan that were 20 foot trees that didnt die overwinter, and were years old. Of course those old heads knew nothing about reveg and all that, but I can only imagine that was the case. I have also heard a buncha stories of folks keeping plants over winter outside, but never with the seedout trick. IME running outdoor/helping out on outdoor farms the outdoor plants usually would totally die off eventually. Usually because of the weather though. Im going to have to try it out myself this season, since I can keep plants alive all year out here.
Ive done it several times. I actually prefer tossing pollinated plants outdoors to finish. Its my suspicion that if the plant is outdoors, the seeds developing are likely to produce a more robust progeny.
In theory, breeding in a tough environment should produce tough offspring. Breeding indoors in a controlled climate tends to produces sensitive plants, in my opinion.
“Plants bred indoors for multiple generations (F3 or further) may exhibit reduced fitness in challenging environments due to lack of selection pressure. Without exposure to pests, diseases, and environmental stresses, natural selection doesn’t favor individuals with robust defense mechanisms.”
I think this is where a number of the advanced techniques come into play - stress memory, being able to recreate any outdoor signals indoors, and such. We even have sterile grows that go non-sterile at the end just to throw endophytes at their seedstock.
If you aren’t throwing endophytes or using a broken up spectrum to steer hormones or other advanced techniques, I would definitely think throwing them outdoors would get most of that benefit just by being outside.
The 18/6 for seeded flowering is amazing. You finish seed runs in the same time as flowering runs, rather than letting them develop a couple more weeks. I usually give it some time (like 3 weeks after pollination) before switching though because it feels wrong. lol
