@Panamajock …Male Plants are in a Different building. Running both Oaxacan and Panama right now. Only Panama males are with the Panama females and Oaxacan females. I was going to pollinate the oaxacan over the weekend, but I need to set up a separate space for the plants after I do that, and didn’t have time. They need a Separate room. Pretty soon the Panama males will be spilling pollen, and I don’t want to contaminate Oaxacan either. I have people counting on me. By the way. This is no brick oaxacan. This is early 1970s oaxacan , and some of it looks like it’s going to go 20 weeks. No trace of indica
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Ok thanks for the reply
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@Panamajock I would look like an asshole if I contaminated either variety. Oaxacan seeds are getting sent down to Mexico, too. I would never forgive myself if I fucked up.
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It’s ok man…I misinterpreted the post…tranquilo
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I’ve been in touch with El Chiscas, a highly respected Mexican landrace preservationist. This is the guy who gave Cannabiogen the Mexican red hair used in the Destroyer hybrid, among other Mexican varieties. He has confirmed for me that the oaxacan are legitimate. I am sending seeds to him so he can give them some to other preservationists down in Mexico, and hopefully he will reproduce them himself.
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Has anyone noticed a pine smell in oaxacan? It’s not exactly Pine, maybe Pine pitch? There seems to be a little mint on the back end. I know I have smelled this exact smell recently. I’ve been cutting a lot of Douglas Fir, and maybe this is it? Smells awesome. I detect this smell in the shortest oaxacan
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The Panama hermaphrodites that I decided wouldn’t be good for a preservation and that were put aside to be pollinated by oaxacan have begun spitting out male flowers again. I don’t see any point in keeping these around, but if somebody wants the seeds off of them I will keep them alive until the seeds are done.
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Sometimes I feel like these oaxacan plants will never finish. Same amount of pistils showing now on two of the plants as were showing 10 days ago, but looking at the pictures, they have been filling in some branches in the meantime. Hopefully they pick up some steam in the next couple weeks. I gave the plants just a pinch of bat guano, 0-5-0 and two of them responded well and the other two ( longer flowering)didn’t care for it so much and some of the leaves are clawing…
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Finally, some updated pictures of the Panama females, which are just about ready for some pollen. I will be putting the males in the room this weekend. Two of them are remarkably short…only about a foot, the rest are the size I would expect for 1 gallon containers , except for the monster jungle plant which easily dwarfs the others, and it has decided it wants to get big regardless of container size.
Resin content has picked up steam, and all the plants smell uniform. I can’t describe the smells, but I could identify Panama in an instant if I ever smelled it again in the future. It’s very distinct. Powerful smell and obviously very potent.
Sorry for the poor picture quality in the last two photos. And no those are not seeds( notice the white pistils )Those are very large and smelly calyxes.
The dankety dank.The lights will be upgraded to 430 Watt HPS this weekend as well. They have performed very well under the cfl’s. I’m pleasantly surprised. I have a thousand watt HPS if need be
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It’s all I think about, day and night!
I can’t tell you how I excited I am. They’re beautiful plants, too, and it’s going to be amazing to have them back home. In theory, they should eventually revert to exactly what they were decades ago, after a few generations, right? I wonder if the changing biomes and ecosystems will change how they express and evolve, compared to decades ago.
And I love the two way flow of genetics and the implications that has on global cannabis preservation.
You’re doing incredible work with beautiful plants! I’ll stop at nothing to make sure they get home 
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I’m super excited about the seeds going back to Mexico myself. I don’t know why nobody has thought of this before. We do it for other rare species, but Cannabis has always been discriminated against.
This particular batch of oaxacan is from an early 1970s collection. I don’t know how many generations cryptic Labs grew them, but they seem to be relatively unworked in my eyes. I think they are awfully close to what they were almost
50 years ago. They should feel right at home.
They’re just beautiful plants, and I can see why they were so popular for breeding in this country. And soon enough, I hope to find out why Cheech and Chong were pulled over on the side of the road with the windows rolled up, laughing their asses off LOL I am very surprised, however that nobody ever kept a Pure Line of this variety available to the public. I can see that they aren’t exactly indoor friendly, or at least most of them are not, but I don’t suppose many pure sativas are indoor friendly when they are first taken out of their native land. I can see the quality in this line. The resin, the smell, even the feel of the plants says how potent they are. I collected a few calyxes last nights and they are drying as we speak. Hopefully there will be enough for one decent hit, just to get a little taste.
Thank you for that. It means a lot. But if we take a real hard look at what I'm doing, it pales in comparison to what you are about to undertake. You are the man! The least I can do is send you down with some seeds so you can pass them out to the right people. You're doing all the hard work.
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Kill it! I never want to risk any cross contamination.
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I wouldnt kill hermas for preservation. They sometimes (i mean theoretically always) hold a part of the genetic. So, i wouldnt, but dont listen to me. I also keep Dwarfs, haha
And back in mexico they might nomore herm, only in your enviroment. So: its not beneficial for preservation to cull anything for: quantity, easy handling, non-bagappeal
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I thought about keeping them, because for preservation, I agree with you. BUT, its hard enough getting people to grow a 20 week+ variety, and if it herms, there is no hope people would grow them, and I’m hoping someone does. Id like to see these grown by someone for bud. (This is Panama we are talking about.)
@Comacus, they are not near the other Panama plants. I pick off the male flowers anyway because they bother me, lol. Just the one plant is doing it so far.
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hmm, now i see why youre doing that. I wouldnt expected you doing it.
Well, inbreeding depression will also get higher, and one day this will make nombody, not even passionated people wanna grow it (If Inbreing dep. is caused by loss of full-Trait-Spectrum /or small numbers. Wich people seem to suspect)
So , i understand it, and think you may get more people interested, yes, but in same time you work against preservation. Its a conflicting thing. imho.
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@upstate maybe once I’m caught up I can help you run them for preservation
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This particular Panama is a hybrid, so there’s tons of variation. Look at the difference between the tallest and shortest plant…20210420_193946|375x500
I wouldn’t mind necessarily using a slightly hermaphroditic female, but I’m not interested in using its pollen… and remember, I’m preserving this one for all the people that went in on the Dalat and Viet black, so I have 19 other people to think about when it comes to my choices about what plants to use. ( seeds will go to many more than 19 people, God willing.)If I had paid for these seeds myself it would be another matter entirely. I would probably use those females for the preservation, but I would keep them separate so none of that Hermie pollen hit the females that don’t have issues.
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I understand
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Update on the Panamas… two of the plants are ready to receive pollen. I have enough saved to hit every pistil on the plants. The others need more time flowering. Some of them need another couple weeks at least…
They are still in one gallon containers, and will be transplanted into 2 gallon containers tonight. I have them in Ocean forest soil mixed with seafood compost and earthworm castings and I clearly went too heavy on one or both of these items. Plants are darker green( too much nitrogen)than they should be in some cases, tho they are not as dark as the lighting makes them look. I will be using less Seafood compost and castings for this next transplant. About half the amount.
The smells coming off of these are excellent , and I have a clear favorite couple plants at this time. I’m just awful at describing smells but they are very complex and I walk around sniffing my fingers for quite some time after touching them LOL. The calyx size on half of these is very large, and has had me reaching for them to make sure there wasn’t a seed more than once. They are very very big for sativas. Wild jungle plant has smaller calyxes. The plants are now under 430 Watt HPS, and 256 Watts of blue fluorescent. I’m sure they will enjoy the increased light.
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