The Central American landrace and heirloom thread (Part 1)

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The oaxacans were removed from the proximity of Panama and were pollinated last night on all the lower branches, with all 5 males. A couple select pollinations were also done. The longest flowering male was used on one branch of the longest flowering female, my favorite, for an extra long flowering version and I used pollen from the shortest male plant on a branch of the shortest female plant, with the goal of making Dwarf Oaxacan at some point too. Plants are spending the day in a closet in my house, after which they will get a shower, and then be moved into a flowering tent under a thousand watt HPS, again, in a separate area, away from the Panama plants. I was able to get some better pictures of these Outdoors.


Note the 13 inch shoe in the middle photo. That plant is very wide! The branches are very flexible and it was easy to train them sideways.
All plants are at beginning of week 9 flowering, light cycle has just been lowered to 11 1/2 hours.

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A male flower on one of the Panamas. There were others on it, too, all in or near the top cola. I picked them off( before they opened), looked hard for more, and pollinated that plant by hand with stable male pollen. Hopefully that solves that problem. My plan at the moment is to keep that plant. They were just put under that HPS light within the last week, and I think that’s probably what did it. They had been under blue light. After pollinating a good bit of that particular plant I took some wax paper with the remaining pollen on it and waited for the fan to come around once I turned it back on. I let it fly in the breeze., hitting everything hopefully. Two plants are not as far along as I like when i begin pollination, and two were farther along. Time to bring the males in and put them in front of the fan. Only one is spilling pollen, the other one has only had pollen come from it’s pre flowers. I got a pic of each plant, to show where they are at. 2nd photo. Another male flower, same plant. Tip of my finger.
Next photo is same plant…
Plant #2 ( i think)

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Plant 3, 4, 5, and 6

plant 3 has the best structure, and is the only one i topped early.
#4 is jungle girl
#5 is really nice

6 looks like the dankety dank. Massive calyxes

I’ll keep an eye for male flowers on plant#1 and will keep seeds of it separate, but for now, it lives
Did I make that bold face? Lol.

#6 closeup

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Not much to crow about at around 50 days but I like the tops on the Columbian Golds. Zacesteca Tribute is pollinated and cooking along. All are under 3’ I think I flipped too early worrying about crazy stretch. Here’s a few pics

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Better safe than sorry. That’s Colombian Gold at day 50? Still throwing out lots of white pistils?whose CG?

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Update on the Oaxacan and Panama. Now at day 69 of flowering.

PANAMA. The plants were given a pinch of 0-5-0 bat guano about 7-10 days ago, and they seem to have taken it well. Seeds are forming on all plants. Still just the one male plant spilling pollen, but the other one is producing flowers finally( (I think). I’m not seeing many flowers on the females that haven’t been fertilized. The male is between the fan and the females. Smells are quite complex and hard to describe, but are very strong on all but “jungle girl”.


Picture is 5 days old. Many more obvious seeds now. Last photo is the Dankety Dank plant.

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The Oaxacan plants are flowering well. I’m finally seeing some clusters beginning to develop on the two longest flowering individuals, which look like they will flower 20 weeks or more… These will easily be the longest flowering plants I’ve ever grown. Smells are of Cedar/Pine on two of them, Pungent Pine on the third, and all Pungent on my favorite. I’ve had to pollinate the two longest flowering plants 3 times so far. I’m seeing seeds, but not as many as I would like. The other two phenotypes have a good amount of seeds forming on the lower branches. I have rooted cuttings of three of the four plants. I will get a cutting of the fourth one today. Looks like it’s what I call a sleeper. The kind of plant that you don’t pollinate because it didn’t look real good, and then you regret your decision later on. It has the same growth pattern as my favorite plant oh, but I have left this one growing naturally, and the branches are generally in an upright Direction. I have folded all the branches out on my favorite plant, which is why it looks so different. I just don’t have the room to let both of them get five feet wide.
The fastest, shortest Oaxacan will flower another month or so, I’m guessing, coming in at 14 weeks. The other shorter plant stopped flowering briefly and all the calyxes swelled. After about a week like this, it started vigorously producing new pistils. It has also started producing male flowers, which are coming out of these very overmature calyxes. Here are some pictures. My apologies for the poor lighting. I can’t get a picture of the plants inside the tent because these weird bars of light come across my screen.


This is the plant that is producing male flowers, which were pulled off. I’m not sure how many weeks this one will flower. You can see the little yellow hermaphrodite rabbit ears poking out here and there. I haven’t seen that they contain any pollen.
Here are some pictures of the fastest flowering plant

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Here are the two-long flowering individuals. Just 2 photos ( first two)of the untrained upright plant , and the rest are my favorite plant which I have named old silversides.

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3 days ago I collected 20 calyxes or so off of the upright long flowering Oaxacan plant, and placed them on a desk to dry.
In lieu of a second cup of coffee this morning, I decided to give this one a go. In a bowl I was able to get 3 tokes from the calyxes I had harvested. Rather large, very nice-looking, resin covered calyxes, the original pre flowers that have now matured fully.
Within five minutes of smoking I began to feel the effects. The full effects didn’t hit until 30 minutes had passed, and by the 45-minute mark I was cruising. Not a paranoid type buzz, but definitely on the speedy side of the spectrum. It was the buzz I was hoping it would be. The strong effects lasted about 2 hours, and now about 5 hours later I can still feel the effects though not as much, probably 50% of what the first hours were. Smoke was very very smooth with no cure at all, and this is the highest I’ve gotten from any uncured landrace. The potency was definitely on par with cured Malawi. I’m extremely happy with the end result , and I would expect that after a good cure and a completely finished product, it will be even better. And this was my least favorite plant, which has just moved up a slot or two. Really they are all looking good, but Old Silver Sides still has my heart. Can’t wait to try that one! I may have to pull off some calyxes when I get home tonight. They will be past their Peak soon anyway so I might as well smoke them while they are good. Smoke report this weekend.
Edit. I felt the effects even at 4:30. Great smoke.

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of wich are you talking? panama or oxacan’?

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Sorry about that. Thanks for pointing out that I didn’t mention which it was. The Panama plants are too plastered with seed to smoke anything… I was talking about one of the two very long flowering oaxacan plants

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Panama update.
Plant one and plant 2, the shortest of the bunch, are still flowering away. Loaded with seeds. Absolutely loaded. The one that was throwing male flowers stopped doing so after it was pollinated. Smells are very nice, and similar to Ace seeds Panama.
Plant number three was my early favorite, and the only one I’ve topped. I started thinking I was wrong about that one, because not much resin was being produced. Recently it has begun producing a nice amount of resin and the smell is absolutely to die for. I had a plant back in 2015 that had this absolutely epic smell. Kind of a cross between lime and mint with this perfumy undertone. This plant has that smell exactly! And I mean exactly. I could stuff my nose in these buds all day long and be happy about it. If someone could make a perfume with this smell, every lady in America would be getting lucky that night. I wish I could give you a better description of the terpene time smelling, but suffice it to say, this plant has a magical Aroma that everyone would love.
Plant number for, affectionately known as Jungle Girl, still has nothing that would make you take notice. I think it’s just an extremely long flowering variant, and the smells and resin will probably come on late. I’m withholding judgment on this one for a few more weeks. Along with plant three, it’s the slowest flowering of the Panama’s. They look to be the same phenotype it’s, only Jungle Girl does not have that Heavenly Scent plant 3 has… yet.
Plant 5 has a wonderful smell, and an excellent amount of resin. The buds are forming separately on this one. More like an indica, really. Tighter buds with spaces in between them. Very very nice plant.
Plant 6, the Dankity Dank, is still the star of the show. Grown seedless, I am confident the buds of this one would form long sticky colas. Excellent resin, massive calyxes, tight grouping to flowers. Symmetrical too. I really wanted to take a cutting off of this one and grow it seedless for my head stash, but any branch I would have taken would have included at least 50 seeds and I want everybody that is getting these seeds to get some off of this plant. Hopefully I will be able to re veg this one, number 3, and number 5 and grow them again for headstash.
The second male started throwing pollen within the last couple days. The other male plant is being taken out of the room tonight, so this new stud can have his way with the women. Hard to tell how many new flowers are being formed because they get nailed with pollen just as soon as they are being formed, but I noticed a very big difference from just a couple weeks ago, so I think we will have plenty of seeds being formed from this males genetics. This male is very nice, and has a purple stem and great smell.
Today is day 79 of flowering, and the upcoming pictures were taken between 5 and 7 days ago.

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plants 1 and 2 above.

two pictures of plant number three with the kick ass smells and great structures…


Jungle girl…


Plants 5 and 6…

these final two pictures are of the two males. The one that has made all of the seeds so far, and then the purple stem plant that has just started spilling pollen.

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Looking great… Well done.

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Old Silver Sides calyxes

Two pics of long flowering Pine smelling Oaxacan, then 2 pics of Old Silver sides.[


Two pics of the Dwarf Oaxacen

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Beautiful photos @Upstate

I wish I was smoking some of that!!

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Man, that is some exotic looking weed you have going. Really cool. Happy grows! peace

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We have very similar tastes in varietals. You’ve been doing great work.

That is some crazy spindly ganja you’re pumping out, I’m anxious to see the outcome. I’ve never seen anything like it!

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Thanks. Usually my photos are a bit blurry.

Me too lol. Its getting closer…I’ve tested all four Oaxacan females now. They are all great, even quick dried, even in one case, tonight, microwaved. One is floral, one is floral/ pine, one is straight pine, and the last is pine and pungent. As of now, the long flowering pine was the strongest, but the “old silversides” sample I had was very overripe, so we shall see. I’ve picked everything I could for now, so I’ll have to wait a few weeks for harvest. The Dwarf is getting close. I was thinking 14 weeks , but it has 2-3 weeks left, so it should go 15, maybe 16 weeks.

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