The Threat of Oxidation to Cannabis Compounds

Who’s dancing lol… I’ve been asking over and over: how does increasing the temperature, thereby increasing the rate of oxidation, reduce oxidation?

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It does not reduce it. As temps go up so can oxidation rates. Oxidation will always happen faster.

I would like to do a side-by-side comparison of my traditional drying and curing method with your technology. That’s the only way this is going to get somewhat figured out… I harvest every few weeks so please send me one in the mail for free and would be happy to oblige. Talk is cheap and we can go round and round in circles on this thread but it’s easier to check it out in person.

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These were informative. The references can really inform also.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/380338355_The_influence_of_drying_and_storage_conditions_on_the_volatilome_and_cannabinoid_content_of_Cannabis_sativa_L_inflorescences

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/359046208_Post-Harvest_Operations_to_Generate_High-Quality_Medicinal_Cannabis_Products_A_Systemic_Review
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https://www.researchgate.net/publication/376562036_Effect_of_Drying_Methods_on_Chemical_and_Sensory_Properties_of_Cannabis_sativa_Leaves

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That’s great! Learn what other growers already know👍

Some highlights…

Pros:

The dryer works great in high humidity, prevents mold and hay smell for most people, and dries buds quicker than any other method I know of. Most growers I’ve talked to report they get comparable results to air-drying. For those who struggle with air-drying, it can be a lifesaver.

Cons:

Dries buds way too fast in low humidity, some growers report still getting hay smell, can over-dry buds (so you should start checking buds on day 2)

Then the dryer is turned on, it automatically sets a 96-hour timer. However, it’s a good idea to start checking on buds around day 2 to prevent overdrying.

I was surprised at how similar the numbers are. I feel they’re close enough to say the differences are negligible. Since I put so much effort into controlling the environment of the air-drying room, I felt pretty certain the air-dried buds would crush the dryer in the results this time. Yet even when I smell and smoke the buds, I can’t tell the difference.

The AC and dehumidifier used more electricity than my grow lights for over a week as buds dried, and my electricity bill is enormous just from drying. It makes me appreciate how easy and cheap the dryer is to run compared to a drying room. Some plants did better with one method, some did better with the other, but overall it averaged out to be about the same. I also like how that the dryer gives you the ability to harvest in stages, while you kind of have to harvest all the plants at once when you’re going to be controlling the environment of an entire room. Since I like to grow many different strains at a time, the flexibility to harvest just a few plants at a time would actually be really helpful.

Overall thoughts on the Herbsnow dryer from my experience and talking to other growers who’ve used it:

Positive

  • Although the dryer doesn’t seem better than air-drying, it does seem to get comparable results when used as directed. At least, the differences are difficult to measure or notice.
  • For growers who’ve been struggling with drying buds due to getting hay smell or mold, this may be a simple but effective solution

Negative

  • Avoid the HerbsNow if your air is dry. My humidity was around 50%, which worked well, but some growers have said they get poor results using the dryer in low humidity. You can put a shot glass of water in the bottom of the dryer to add more humidity, but for growers with low humidity, consider drying buds in a cardboard box or paper bag. That will keep a humid pocket around your buds.
  • Can only dry several ounces of weed at a time. If you’re harvesting more than about 6 ounces (dry weight) of weed at a time, you would need additional dryers
  • The price! This machine costs $200 for just one unit that can only hold a limited amount of buds. Considering it’s basically just a food dehydrator with reduced heat, that seems like a steep markup. That being said, I’ve ordered a few cheap food dehydrators with the goal of disconnecting the heating element to see if a DIY dryer would work just as well (or better) with no heat at a reduced cost. However, I can’t seem to find a dehydrator that costs under $200 with trays that can be removed from the middle, which is a key feature of this dryer. Contact usif you have been able to DIY a dryer, or if you know of any competitors. As far as I know, the HerbsNow dryer currently doesn’t have any competition so they have a total monopoly. As a result, they can charge whatever they want. I imagine once there are more options the price will start to come down.”
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Gaslighting our decades of combined modern knowledge and scholarship so he can sell a product outside of his sales thread.

I bet he’ll wait 3-4 days to reply again so he can bump this up and try and get more sales.

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Appreciate the input, personally found same form dehydrator with removable middle for 30$ and low heat setting, only difference basically the green cover and it does work but prefering hang dried hands down :pray:t3:

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Xmas marketing strategies for sure lol

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EVERY review says the same thing…“yeah it’s ok and almost as good as air drying” and that is the positive. Then they all go on to list out how it doesn’t work in dry conditions, is absolutely puny in size and of course the ridiculous amped up price for what amounts to a ronco dehydrator.

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I just don’t see the logic behind spending 4-5 months patiently growing a plant to all of a sudden lose that patience to save 4 days and of drying time. Cannabis is a lesson in patience and this does not fit into the equation for me. Also, wet trimming to fit as much in the machine as possible is a huge no thanks as it is a fact that wet trim brings out the hay smells from the bruising of and destruction of plant matter and then to quick dry after a wet trim is a huge nope.

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It’s not just about terpene oxidation. Chlorophyll degradation is pretty important when it comes to producing great tasting flower and that degradation takes place over time, especially if bruised plant matter was used to quick dry. No machine is speeding the process of degradation up, I would argue that this machine would be counter productive as it will quick dry and lock-in chlorophyll that will take longer to degrade in the curing process. I can smell the hay from here

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Even with proper long hanging at 60%, we all know smoking a sample at 1 week, 2 weeks and 3 weeks will still have that taste to it. That green kick. Three week minimum in the jars before that shit even goes away.

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You are talking about something you know nothing about. :+1:

And you are the only one who knows anything.well according to you.

You are basically spouting a low grade technolgy with iffy claim that you can only back up with your opinion. That’s all you got is hot air dude.

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How does your hairdryer adress this concern ?

from the website… Where is the temperature button?

** We purposely do not have a temperature control button on the unit to ensure that the unit stays within the optimal temperature range for drying herbs. HerbsNOW operates with a low pre-set temperature that allows for a slow, controlled dry down.*

hahaha…right. It’s a fixed temp heat element that are like $30 tops. I put a link to one up earlier. High-tec indeed.

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You mean I could use something like this?

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The cool thing about science is it’s the opposite of biased!
You on the other hand are a text book example of biased :rofl:

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Nope, You guys are​:+1: You do not like what you hear and start jumping up and down doing the peepee dance.:rofl: Hey yes the truth sometimes hits home. Scroll up like I said. Suck it up butter cups. Oxidation happens faster to terpenes and THC over thermal break down. That means… The longer and slower you dry your buds the worse they become. Get over it. Yes, YOUR buds can be better​:100: YES, YOU WILL GET HIGHER!!! WAKE UP! dont listen to the negative clowns​:clown_face: in here they are WRONG​:100: