Torture Gardens

[Rhizome]

I swear I did lot of work, although it doesn’t seems for the pictures.

I decided to insulate the mother room with 50mm thermal boards, include/remove the mushroom bit and re-organise electrics and tide up everything. I cover with some reflective paper. I need more heat and I am very tempted by the ceramic reptile heater.
Still WIP and as you can see I need some doors ( which btw I didn’t have the last year:).

The space it’s a mess. Working on it on my spare times ( very little)

100x45x70(H) cm mother and clone room… Which of course I am using now as flowering room:)

[Rhizome]

Hey everyone,
A lot’s been going on in real life lately, and this winter has been rough. No matter how much insulation I add, when temps hit 0°C or below, my grow space takes a hit. I usually run autos in winter to help manage temps with long light hours, but this is my first winter with LEDs—and it’s been a challenge. I’m seriously considering going back to HPS for the cold months next year.

For those not familiar with what I’m playing with: I’m crossing Mephisto’s Livers BX1 with three Killer Skunk males by UGORG. The goal is to create a first F1 gen that’s 99.9% photoperiod, then move to F2 and eventually work toward an S1. I’m hoping to uncover as much of that Livers/Blues gene pool as I can.

Ironically, I’ve never even smoked a true Blues—but I’m still diving in, driven by the love of hacking and experimenting with a clear purpose.

Mephisto recently dropped a bunch of crosses and special editions based on Livers BX1 and their old-school Blues cross with Mr. Nice’s SSH. I decided to explore some of these, aiming to build a collection that captures the full range of “Shades of Blues.”

In earlier trials, I worked with a White Widow cut from Spain and an ESB by Fleur du Mal, crossed with three Killer Skunk males (#5, #6, and #7), plus F2s from four selected Killer Skunk females (#1 through #4).

Right now, my 2x4 tent is packed. I’ve added the mother plants of the selected KS #5 and #6 males and the #3 female I kept from earlier selections (see previous posts). I’ve got six plants in 3L coco and four more in soil, started 2–3 weeks later.

Two Livers BX1 in coco are still small at day 85. According to Mephisto, flowering should finish around day 70–80, and I’m about 5.5 weeks post-pollination (done around day 45, two weeks into flower).

I also had a Stilton Special and a Vader’s Musk (Sour Livers × Northern Cheese Haze and Livers BX1 × Grape Walker Kush, respectively), but they stayed too small and passed their prime. I culled all four to make space for the moms and a few autos in soil.

Truth is, being away from home so often makes it hard to keep everything in sync—veg, flower, parents, pollination. Managing it all with just two rooms has been rough.

Still, I pollinated the full room using only the three selected males, so I at least have confidence in the genetic outcome of the seeds.

To me, this is all about learning the art of seed-making, experimenting with selection, and setting the stage for future fem runs. I’d love to be a “hacker,” but really, I’m just some fool figuring it out one step at a time.

Quick setup recap for anyone new:
I run an Ionframe Evo 3 (280W) in a 2×4 tent with a 6" exhaust and several fans to manage humidity. Passive intake. I also have a second grow room, currently in 12/12, where I’m pollinating an Erba del Diavolo (a.k.a. Calabrese Rossa) with the Killer Skunk pollen.

The main tent runs on a 20/4 cycle for autos. During lights on: 28–30°C, RH 60–70%. Lights off: 20–22°C, RH 55–60%, with a dehumidifier set at 55%.

And yes—as they say, the cold keeps your dick small. Unfortunately, the same goes for the ladies.

That’s where I’m at today.

Stilton special

Vader’s Musk

Continuing with other Coco coir and soil

[Rhizome]

Livers bx1#1 and 2018

[Rhizome]

Initial testers

White Whidow Spain cut '98 X killer skunk #5-6-7 by UGORG ( White Blue)
And ESB by Fleur du Mal X Killer skunk #5-6-7 by UGORG ( ES-Blue)

Plus some very private F2 reproductions of Killer Skunk crossing all the combination of 4 females with the 3 males.

[Rhizome]

Running some sativas at the moment—Mango Smile x Livers BX1 and Mr. Nice’s Super Silver Haze for the Livers project, plus a few others. Always a couple phenos of each strain in the mix.

On the preservation front: working with Erba del Diavolo (aka Calabrese Rossa) crossed with Killer Skunk #5-6. Goal is to produce some viable seeds. All happening in the humidity nebula—now under 18/6. Can’t have it all.

Got the mother plant in the 2x4 tent in coco, prepped for the next run. Fingers crossed.

Mango Smile X Livers Bx1 and SSH Mr.nice X Livers Bx1 ( all crossed with KS #5-6-7

[Rhizome]

I couldn’t resist and ended up removing a small lower bud after just one week of drying—mainly to test the smoke and check on the seeds. I’m not too happy with the seed quality, but at least pollination seems to have worked. Hopefully, the top buds will have more mature seeds.

I’ll speak more about the project itself soon—this somewhat childish attempt to find the soul of the old Blues, which, ironically, I had never actually tried before. Foolish of me, perhaps. But every journey has to begin somewhere, and I want to take a moment to offer special thanks to three key names: UGORG, Mephisto, and OG.

Someone once said UGORG spent “a solid six years” stabilizing a clone into seed form. Their talent and dedication shine through, and they’ve become a symbol of boutique breeding done right. This project of mine is, in many ways, a humble tribute ( insult probably)—an attempt to learn more about what I call the “UK Trinity” and to document and share the process of working with these legendary genetics. The flood of quick and dirty “hack F1s” that pop up here feel like an insult to the deep work UGORG and others have done. I’m still waiting, with hope, for the day the true Blues are re-released. I dream of those lucky enough to have smoked the original cut.

For now, though, this experiment blends a desire to learn how to make seeds and cross genetics, with the joy of smoking quality weed. I’m grateful to the breeders who produce such consistent regular seeds, allowing even a hobbyist like me to better understand a line and its cultural roots.

I’ll share a smoke report soon, especially on Killer Skunk #3, which I’ve kept and plan to run again alongside Erba del Diavolo.

On another note, Mephisto’s work with the Livers Bx1 project is nothing short of impressive—a decade of dedication that feels like a cultural preservation effort. It’s a gift to those who want a taste of that classic Blues flavor. Outside of what I’ve mentioned, there’s very little real Blues work available today—maybe a few UGORG crosses floating around, but not much more. I would have preferred working with photoperiods, honestly, but I’m deeply fascinated by what Mephisto has accomplished with autos.

In the synergy between these brilliant breeders, I hope the depth of the Blues genetic pool can be revealed—and I’m eager to learn and enjoy what comes of it.

Finally, thank you to the community—for the knowledge, the soul, and the support that breathes through every webpage, post, and reply. Thanks for watching, advising, supporting—and hopefully, this little project will bring some beautiful highs.

[Rhizome]

Legend Arnold Lane often spoke about the original Blues and UGORG Blues, consistently noting how remarkably close the seeds came to replicating the legendary cut. If memory serves, he also drew parallels between Blues and Killer Skunk, hinting that the latter carried something of the Blues’ soulful essence.

From the Blues lineage, you get this unmistakable flavour—what UGORG themselves call a “flavour from the nostril.” It’s sweet, thick, and clings to the back of your palate. You feel it even more on the exhale, like breathing out a cloud of memory. The smoke has a density that feels almost edible, dense with layered notes of fruit and musk, lingering and luxurious.

The high is equally rich—uplifting and filled with a subtle warmth, like a wave of love. It’s the kind of buzz that brings light to your day, energizing without tipping over into chaos. Importantly, it’s a high that doesn’t leave your eyes beet red, nor your mind scattered. This makes it not only functional but versatile, a great daytime companion—creative, focused, and gently euphoric.

Interestingly, it occupies a unique place between the “hot and wet” strains—relaxing but not sedating. It leans more toward sensual calm than manic excitement. There’s something deeply physical about it—yes, including being great for sex—an aspect too often overlooked.

There’s no couch-lock here, no paranoia either. Instead, it delivers a cerebral, steady high that seems tailor-made for creative work or plant breeding. Active, but never overwhelming—a smooth, intentional ride rather than a rollercoaster. It’s the kind of herb you can smoke and still be present, still build, still dream.

Right now, I’m finishing the last of my #3 pheno, but #1, #2, and #4 were all impressive in their own right. Each had something special, like different harmonics in the same song.

The UGORG project to translate a legendary clone into seed form is, in itself, a mythic tale. The effort to stabilize such character, while dancing with a symbiotic counterpart like the DJ Short Blueberry male (from the legendary Oldtimer1 stock), led to creations like SmellyBerry. But more importantly, it led to a deeper process—one that sought not just to preserve the genetics, but to resurrect the spirit of the Blues. That’s the soul of Killer Skunk.

Like any great breeding project, this strain is a celebration of complexity—not complication. There’s a difference. Killer Skunk is a complex plant: easy to grow, generous in yield, but full of subtlety in both its growth and its smoke.

Even now, as I light up Killer Skunk, I’m still not sure whether the rich nostril-pleasing flavour comes from the Blueberry or the Blues side. But it doesn’t matter—it’s a pleasure regardless. When mainstream smokers were still lost in the fog of Cheese, those who knew were already deep into the mysteries of the Livers/Blues cut. And now, thanks to this seed work, that legacy isn’t lost—it’s alive and smoking.

[Ibegeekdup]

That’s beautiful

[Rhizome]

Killer Skunk has a distinct positive mental effect—it brings a sense of happiness and harmony with your surroundings and with life itself. The mental properties described by UGORG genuinely reflect the expression of “does exactly what it says on the tin.”

I often wonder whether this trait comes from the Livers/Blues lineage or from the SmellyBerry side of its genetics.

The high is clear-headed, creative, and deeply uplifting. It gives you that empowering feeling of “you can do it, if you want.” It encourages creativity, and the weed becomes like a good companion—whispering ideas, lifting your mood, and making you smile.

[Rhizome]

Back to Mephisto Genetics crosses with Killer Skunk

Old school blues, Funky Mangifera and Chemy’s Fruit Punch

[Rhizome]

Just tossing around some fun WIP logo ideas for the strains I’m curing and de-seeding right now—very early concepts( or maybe not)

[Brainwarp]

Nice art and idea!
I didn’t mean anything but what is up with UK420?

[Rhizome]

Thanks for the message!

Stoned logos—naturally!

UK420 is another great community of cannabis enthusiasts. It’s actually where the original “Serendipity” thread lives—my first hacking attempt, in fact. The community, which recently lost its founder and legend Joolz, continues to be a place where I’m learning a lot and where members have supported me in developing these ideas.

While I’m still new to the community and far from experienced when it comes to hacking genetics, these projects are very much a product of the spirit and soul of UK420.

Not sure if visible ( I suspect only for members) but this is the contropart of Torture Gardens - Serendipity

https://www.uk420.com/topic/428726-serendipity/page/

[Brainwarp]

Never joined any other community, just OG. It gives me an error code when I tried to view it. Your thread here is enough to show your work and progress. Keep it up

[Rhizome]

@Brainwarp

OG

An Anecdote:

Just before Overgrow shut down, there was a tight-knit crew—VicHigh, Oldtimer1, and others I like to call the BCGA crew. When OG went dark, some of them, like OT1 with the help of Joolz, helped launch UK420.
Somehow, that new community managed to carry forward a piece of the original Overgrow spirit. It kept that soul alive.

And finally some of us can even back home:)

[Brainwarp]

Honestly, I have no idea that there is a growing community like this at all (except fb, undying calmag issue) I’m always reading what, when, where, how to about cultivation a few years back. I’m glad that I found my 2nd home, here at OG though I’m having a hard time with my english.

Just keep growing and I’ll keep watching your show.

[Rhizome]

[Rhizome]

There’s something about Killer Skunk #3 that keeps catching my attention—I can’t stop thinking about it. The high it delivers brings a unique and deeply pleasant sense of happiness. It’s not just euphoria, but a kind of equilibrium with everything around you. Over the last three weeks, I’ve been smoking Killer Skunk #3 by UGORG, some Livers BX1, and a few Livers BX1 crosses by Mephisto. Among them all, Killer Skunk shines in this particular aspect.

But where is this sense of happiness coming from? On one side, we have Livers BX1, which should carry both the Double Blues and Livers/Blues genetic pools. On the other, Killer Skunk is a cross of Blues and SmellyBerry—which itself is Blues x Original Blueberry. I’m desperately trying to understand whether this emotional uplift, this distinct trait of contentment, originates more from the Livers/Blues side or from the Blueberry influence. If it’s coming from the Blues line, it would make perfect sense why the original UK Blues cut is held in such high regard by seasoned smokers.

If anyone who has tried the original Blues cut can weigh in on whether they also experience this happiness trait, I’d really appreciate hearing your take.

I’m not sure if Killer Skunk necessarily makes you laugh or smile, but it absolutely brings mental clarity and emotional ease. It helps with stress, anxiety, and depression. The feeling is serene and calm, but in a functional, uplifting way—you feel present, capable, and ready to take on your day. At least, that’s how it feels to me.

The high is clean, both in mind and in eye (more on that in a moment). There’s no confusion, no couchlock, no drowsiness or detachment from your responsibilities. In fact, it boosts creativity, focus, and energy. There’s no paranoia or intrusive thoughts—just a peaceful, grounded awareness of the moment you’re in. Killer Skunk seems to catch the present, stretching time just enough so you can appreciate it.

“Time flies when you’re having fun… but sometimes, when you’re truly present, it slows down enough to feel every second.” — Unknown

UGORG mentions visual enhancement, and I think they’re right. There’s a gentle perceptual shift, like looking at the world through a soft, analog lens. It’s reminiscent of a Hipstamatic filter—but without any psychedelic edge. The eyes feel slightly blurred, colors soften and bloom subtly around lights, and there’s this sparkling mental clarity that enhances the whole experience.

Sometimes the joint sits forgotten in the ashtray while you’re reading, thinking, or—like now—writing, and you suddenly realize just how high you are after only a few puffs.
The high isn’t overpowering, but it’s refined. It satisfies, yet keeps inviting you deeper. I could be wrong, but I get the sense there’s a “white ceiling with blue tones”—the more you smoke, the more it opens up.

The smoke itself is thick and aromatic, layered with fruity undertones. On the exhale, the classic skunky sharpness kicks in—spicy on the mid and tip of the tongue, with a musky depth underneath. It’s like inhaling blueberries and exhaling skunk.

[Gadarien]

Great write-up! That sounds absolutely amazing. I’ve found the Shiva skunk x forum cookies is potent like that with a positive mental aspect, but I think the one that had the strongest version of that effect I’ve smoked is motorbreath 15. Not sure if there’s any shared genetics there but that happy high was what I noticed the most when I smoked it for the first time.

[Rhizome]

Welcome to the circus of happiness and diversion. A masquerade of reality. A rhizomatic dissertation spiraling into mental wankery and divergent dreaming.
Born as an offshoot of Cunt Genetics, which I founded in an act of delirious defiance, Rhizome Genetics marks a new chapter in curated madness. Cunt Genetics is a collective dedicated to preserving the most elite, resilient cunts society keeps trying to flush.
Presidents, prime ministers, media darlings—handpicked for their remarkable resistance to logic, ethics, and good taste.
Because when democracy starts to feel like a joke, sometimes the only way to take it seriously is to smoke a fat one and laugh until it hurts.