Howdy @drgreensleeves, on the contrary , I grew up getting compressed Mexican living in the deep south and it wasn’t pungent like modern top shelf indoor but it most certainly had an accompanying aroma that was noticable, it definitely wasn’t odorless. The effects ranged from decent to better but not usually great and the better ones usually always had a more pungent smell with the ones that had less noticable aromas has the shorter duration of perceivable “high”. More lethargic than “high” more often than not across the board with the compressed Mexican that I remember.
There could also be aspects of fermentation at play with those compressed regs.
As for your assertions of my comments, do you have references at all you’d like to share?
I mentioned the Russo work, it was published in 2011 and is titled Taming THC: potential cannabis synergy and phytocannabinoid-terpenoid entourage effects.
This is from description of the effects of Old Timers Haze via Ace Seeds:
Effect: Strong stimulating and mental effect, without heaviness or physical weakening. A high level of THC and low level of CBD together produce a no-limit effect, which allows you to get higher and higher with each intake. It can produce anxiety and paranoia in high doses and/or to persons prone to these conditions.
Here are some quotes from Sam regarding terpenes and their “entourage effects” with respect to THC along with many inferences for his preference of no ceiling effects and being a strong proponent for THC as the sole cannabinoid to achieve that effect, of course with the modulating attributes of terpenes:
I loved collecting all the different tastes and terpene smells, as well as maybe some different Cannabinoids.
But along with the THC it is the terpenes that make most of the differences in different Cannabis varieties, high THC is pretty easy to find. From all the different terpenes, the right ones in the right combinations with THC is what we are all after. For recreational anyway.
-SamS
As far as I know this most of this type of info is not in print, that is why I did it myself. I might publish but I am in no hurry as I am busy with other work. Also FYI, besides THC and CBD and to a lesser degree CBN, the Cannabinoids are much less important then THC and the 130 terpenoids found in Cannabis. They modify the subjective high to create all most all the different effects reported in Cannabis.
-SamS
If by smoking, me and RCC can’t tell if a particular variety have CBD and/or CBN rather then CBD/CBN like terpenoids that have similar effects, how can you? I have smoked many varieties that have zero CBD/CBN and the high was in the body. They did have THC and the right terpenoids.
Many people believe by smoking they can tell if CBD is present in Cannabis, I know you can’t.
The first Cannabinoids were discovered in the 1940’s, THC was discovered in 1964, the CB1 receptor in 1988, Anandamide in 1992 by my friend Bill Devane, who also named it.
This was all done by scientists, which I am not really one of, but I did not say I was…
I am more of a farmer or plant breeder.
I do have a lot of scientist friends that explain to me what is going on in science.
And it was me pushing Terpenoids as modulators since the late 70’s, I proved it in the 90’s when I tried pure THC, and then added Terpenoid rich dry sift and made the THC stronger then when pure. Later I tried pure THC and various terpenoids together and absolutely proved it.
-SamS
Depends on the Terpenoids, which effects you see.
Ceiling may depend on more then just what is present or not present. But maybe it is that simple.
-SamS
I can’t really speak about the amounts required, for what, but the right Terpenoids are found in larger amounts in the “best” Cannabis.
Yes, drying eliminates some terpenoids but not as much as water sifting does.
I did tests with 12 people, most were very, very, very experienced smokers. A few were medical users. We were in almost total agreement, on what felt up or down, etc.
Pure THC is like 100% alcohol if you are a wine connoisseur, THC is flat and boring, without any of the individual varietal differences from the Terpenoids.
RCC said if all Cannabis was just THC he would not smoke it.
And again pure THC is not as strong as THC with the right Terpenoids.
-SamS
If you have higher levels of the right terpene’s I can guarantee that the effects are stronger then just high THC with little terpene’s. It maybe unanswered to you, but not to me, or anyone that has done the testing of high THC low terpene vs high THC high terpene. Or better 100% pure THC and the 100% THC spiked with a terpene or 100% THC spiked with some terpene rich dry sift. Both are stronger then 100% THC…
-SamS
I am refering to getting high, but that said I would not want to give medical advice I just do not know the answer. Terpenes of the right kind do make THC stronger as well as modifying the effects, that is where almost all the different effects in Cannabis come from, terpenes. From up, speedy, clear, psychedelic, to narcotic and couchlock, it is the terpenes modifying the THC.
-SamS
SUGGEST YOU NEED TO ADD THE TERPENE’S TO PURE THC, IF YOU USE CONCENTRATES THEN YOU WILL NOT SEE THE SYNERGY CLEARLY AS THE CONCENTRATES HAVE THEIR OWN TERPENES AND CANNABINODS.
MY FIRST TEST BESIDES TRYING 25MG 100% PURE THC WAS TO ADD 12.5 MG 100% PURE THC WITH 12.5 OF SOME NATURALLY TERPENE RICH DRY SIFT THAT WAS TESTED AT 50% THC AND VAPE IT, SO THE MIX WAS 25MG AND WAS 75% THC. WAY STRONGER THEN 25MG 100% PURE THC.
-SamS
“The dry sift of the same THC% will be better because it has more terpenoids. This is a fact. But just because dry sift is a bit better does not mean that water sifting has no use. First of all most dry sift made is not as strong in THC as most water sifted resin made. This is because people do not know how to make the best dry sift. Second of all, the yield of water sifting can be 10-15% with my dry sifting it is 1%. So that will discourage a lot of people who care more about quantity then quality.
I also agree that water hash is more like pure alcohol, you will not find that wine connoisseurs that spike their chablis with pure alcohol to make it better. The best water hash is often made from varieties that keep more of their taste through the water process.”
-SamS
I found pure THCV does not get me high. I did not like the effect of THCV/THC I find this similar to what happens with CBD/THC, it delays THC’s onset, reduces peak experiences, and make the reduced effects last longer.
I look forward to many more studies with many more different Cannabinoids, we have a lot to learn. Medical uses of many different Cannabinoids is what I expect. For recreational, I do not want them, THC and terpenes are my goal.
-SamS
Many people still think that THCV is the mystery Cannabinoid that gives the best high. But they are all wrong…
THCV lowers the subjective effects of THC is that what you are looking for?
Yes THCV does modify the high but in a negative way to me and most smokers.
Do you also want a lot of CBD? It also modifies THC, again not in a good way for most smokers, but some people do prefer Cannabis with lots of CBD, like imported hash.
Not me, I like my THC so it makes me sweat, pass-out, soaring, euphoric, even paranoid, feel the fear, I like it.
BTW, I don’t smoke herbal Cannabis mainly because it is not potent enough for me. Also I prefer smoking resin, not plants.
To me smoking plants is like sprinkling resin on a hemp cloth and smoking it. WHY?
Resin has everyting you are looking for and the purer the resin the better.
If there are really people out there that don’t want their Cannabis potent they can buy swagg Mex, save money, and be happy.
-SamS
I believe that terpenes + THC are the future of Cannabis, by that I mean resin high in THC and natural terpenes in the resin.
To be honest I would not smoke a terpene not found in Cannabis, how do you know it is safe? Cannabis terpenes have been smoked for hundreds of years with very little negative effects. These others have never been smoked as far as I know. Would you want your child or loved one or a patient to be doing this? Not me.
The amounts of terpenes required to potentiate or modify 25mg pure THC is very much smaller then a drop.
I suggest you buy the pure terpenes that are found in Cannabis and start with the 140 found so far, a lot safer, and do you really want to be telling others to be smoking these non-Cannabis essential oils?? Even Cannabis pure terpenes can be harsh on you, some made me vomit when I smoked or vaped them.
Will you pay the medical bills of anyone hurt by them? Be prepared.
-SamS
If you think high Cannabinoids besides THCV and CBD change or modify the THC high, then think again they do not. Even CBD and THCV do not improve the THC, they delay onset, reduce peak experiences, and lengthen the effects, that are now screwed up for getting high in my opinion. But to each their own…
Yes the CBD delays the onset of the THC, reduces peak experiences, and lengthens the effects. If that is what you are looking for, it is very well known as all imported sifted hash has a mixture of CBD/THC in it. The question is if the same plants were grown as unseeded sinsemilla and any with CBD eliminated would the high be better? For me the answer is yes, I can not speak what you would like best, try eating it, your are a chef!
CBD does not improve the “high” unless you do not like getting real high, I do.
-SamS
Terpenes. The reason NLD, or SATIVAS, have such nice terpenes is because they were selected for thousands of years by the farmers as keepers after they smoked individual plants. With WLD, or INDICAS the farmers only smoke the resin from many plants not from single plants, so it is much harder to pick and save the one out of thousands of plants that has the best terpenes.
-SamS
The same with terpenes, without science we would all still think the different effects found in Cannabis are from all the different Cannabinoids, but almost all western bred Cannabis has only THC, yet has many different effects.
Science has shown us it is the 130 terpenes that are responsible for most of the different effects.
BTW, I prefer NLD varieties but just because of the terpenes they have, and the terpenes can be bred into WLD varieties or NLD/WLD varieties almost as easy, just a few generations of breeding.
-SamS
While I view things slightly differently than Sam in terms of the other cannabinoids influencing the perceived “high” in terms of onset, duration, and other antagonizing attributes, he sees them as unneeded because he is going for the ceiling less high of staying high constantly. Subtle difference of opinion but the crux of the matter is THC alone doesn’t get a user “high”, it’s the synergy with accompanying terpenes + THC that create unique user experiences of being “high”.
I purposefully put the word “high” in quotation marks in my original comment as well as this one because I think there is a difference between THC being psychoactive on it’s own and feeling “high” when combined with various terpene and aromatic combinations. Sam mostly liked to smoke pure unhybridized Original Haze resin or pure unhybridized Original Haze flowers so I’m hopeful that sharing these quotes are fitting for this unhybridized haze thread even though it seems we’re getting far off topic. @holygroveseed of you would like me to delete my comments here that are part of the off topic conversation that sprung up just say the word and I’ll remove them. Or if you’d like perhaps we could ask the @moderators to jump in and merge the off topic comments into a more appropriate topic that’s already been started elsewhere on the forums. Often times worthwhile conversations get started that are inadvertently off topic but still worth having as a resource for others to see or contribute towards or elaborate on at some point in the future. On one hand I want to avoid commenting at all if seems off topic, but on the other hand it seems worthwhile to share in these in the moment conversations that arise and have them moved into more appropriate topics where they’ll be better received if unwanted by the original topic creator. Many blessings and much love
